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I'll ask him when I see him next 

NONO--I will never make it to Italy.  I just need an occasional ear to bounce ideas off of.  It will help me keep better track of what I'm seeing that led to any conclusion.  I have a highly theoretical/ analytical mind and am an abstract/visual thinker.

My health has improved enough to recover much of my intellect.  Damned inconvenient so close to the end of my life.

Email will do fine.

Actually I have a friend who is a nuclear physicist (works in a lab but he's more on the science side of things than the engineering one). If you ever come to Italy, I'll introduce him to you.

You are bound to find more people on Minds that may be able to talk about this topic. I haven't searched much but I've come across more sciencey posts there. Cheers

Wondered if you know of any theoretical  physicists.  I don't want equations--I want thoughts.  I ran this by a scientist I converse with but his interests in the past tell me he is a eugenisist and a believer in Natural Selection [I happen to believe what's happening is Unnatural Selection, but SHHH don't tell him that.]

I tried to bounce this off of him and I think I could detect a bit of offensiveness on his part.

I think it may be possible time/space has decision trees.  If we venture down a path not conducive to evolution we are in ‘species snuff zone.’  I believe that’s a path we are headed down now.

This concept completely precludes anything labeled ‘free will.’  We only think we have it.  We don’t—none of us do—I do mean none of us.  It hit me as soon as I saw something—I don’t remember what.  It was a jarring realization.

It’s not a god thing—it’s something else.  I don’t believe in god—I believe in science.

We are being led down the path of complete destruction.

Our entire species is minuscule in the fabric of time.  Our blip on its screen will be forgotten.  It will be as if we never existed.

I knew everything was so very organized and I could see the fingers of destruction melting into our fabric these past many years.  I just didn’t know what—I do now.

I had a very hard time understanding how we could be moving so backwards in evolution.  I understand it now.  With this move, we have lost the essential characteristics which make us human."

So essentially I question if we ever had free will--and it's not the product of anything we did--it just is what it is.   Damn, I wish I could remember what I saw that led me to that conclusion, but I, like everyone else, want to believe my choices are my own.  It was like touching a hot stove and I threw it out of my mind as soon as I saw it.

A cop-out--agreed.  Nono--we must reduce everything to its actual origins. Nature is just a verbal designation of a puzzle piece.  Have we lost the concept of how everything fits  in a bigger picture?  Or did people simply never grasp that fact?

So Nature is just a Bot. QM, too.  All fits in the completed puzzle.

Well, chaos is structured by definition. It's not random, just unpredictable (I know that unpredictability and randomness often get conflated but they are not the same). However, we can only understand the chaos we create (mathematically, that is). I'm not sure whether the chaos of nature can be fully understood. Perhaps that's why randomness is so popular a concept as it's the copout in this challenging situation…

Thank you.  I sent this off to an acquaintance this morning:

"I think I'm leaning towards 'structured chaos.'  Is that even an established term?

I can’t look at Einstein.  I can’t look at the other guy until I develop my own intuitive thoughts on the subject.  It will cause me to “pick sides’ and enjoin me into group-think.

Look what I did over a half-century ago when I heard Einstein besmirch Quantum Mechanics.  I would even look at the topic as a possibility.  I wouldn’t even read about.  I got stuck.

Time to get unstuck, I think…

Natural Selection?  Just part of the process maybe.  A piece of the puzzle.  Time to put the puzzle together for myself.