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"The Giver & The Takers"

"The Giver & The Takers"

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"If you could erase all the mistakes of your past, you would also erase all the wisdom of your present. Remember the lesson, not the disappointment.”


My first response to the wisdom in this quote has to do with current history and the renewed push to PURGE American culture & erase the past. Once again, tearing down & defacing historic, national monuments has become an AGENDA ... most recently deemed unworthy to stand ... or remain are:

... George Washington ... Abraham Lincoln ...Teddy Roosevelt ... Francis Scott Key ... Ulysses S Grant ... even Gandhi & Cervantes.

These monuments serve as a reminder of our past ... while standing, they might serve to inspire how far we have come. There are no perfect people in history.

“If the present tries to judge the past, it will lose the future. All men make mistakes but only wise men learn from their mistakes” ~ Winston Churchill

Good leaders are good students of history. They rightly apply that knowledge. The ability to do this is called “wisdom”. The ability to live wisely with that knowledge is called “understanding.”

"The past is another country they do things differently there" ~ L.P, Harley The Go-Between

A lesson from this book: “humanity is alienated from the past, yet not free from it, a past that continues to exist in and to control the subconscious”

... Profound TRUTH ...

Until we learn the lessons of history and rightly apply them ... we will never be free of the past. Until we wake up ... become aware ... the past “exist in & controls our subconscious.”  ... Thus does history repeat itself.

This shout out to the wrong-thinking “leaders” who are inciting the removal & to the misguided “takers & breakers” bent on destruction.

“Removing historic statues does NOT remove the reality of the past or the truth of history.” ~ fem-v

Only deluded people think that moving the hands on the face of a clock changes the time.” ~ fem-v

Deluded: believing something that is not true ... not believing truth

"If you reject the history of the past ... refuse to remember its lessons ... then you diminish your future." ~ fem-v


Mindlessness ... lawlessness ... violence & blaring IGNORANCE seems to be the prevailing wind in certain communities.

“Violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.” ~ Isaac Asimov

God help the people who reside in these communities because law enforcement can’t effectively act (another subject entirely)

If one understands human behavior, you could say they were acting like toddlers ... who, at times, demand to have their way. This can be accepted in tiny beings who are brailing their world. This behavior tests parental authority. A parent worth their salt knows it is WRONG to cave in to the demands of a kicking & crying toddler.

It is an exponentially greater WRONG to cave into the “demands” of anarchists ... who, in this case test governmental authority.

DESTROYING, tearing down, looting, robbing .and violence ... is the behavior of an invading army. WAKE UP !!!

Likening this to a “block party” or a “Love-fest” is utter LUNACY ... utter STUPIDITY ... chosen BLINDNESS


“Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, it is the illusion of knowledge.” ~ Martin Luther King Jr.

This army has NO apparent regard for the country they are invading. Their mission is taking away & tearing down.

When they are done tearing down and taking away: I’m curious what THEY will build ... what THEY will contribute ... what monuments THEY will erect?

“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe” ~ Albert Einstein

“We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.” ~ Benjamin Franklin


Present relevance & prescience in unexpected places: a children’s book “The Giver” by Lois Lowry

There are rich lessons to be found in this book ... which is not just for children. It is about a man-created utopia.

The “Elders” in this “perfect” society did not think the citizens should experience “pain” or make “wrong” choices so history was hidden from them

... it was held by “the Giver”

In this “perfect” community, the children were schooled in “sameness”

... This methodology was to drive home the “elders” concept of “equality”

A are a few things that stayed vividly with me after reading this book:

… One is that “sameness” is the same mindset of “political correctness”

... The concept of utopia set forth in this story was based on deception

…The other is that God was left out of their “perfect world”

Does any of this sound familiar ... ring true as you look around?

“Submitting to censorship is to enter the seductive world of The Giver: the world where there are no bad words and no bad deeds. But it is also the world where choice has been taken away and reality distorted. And that is the most dangerous world of all.” ~ Lois Lowry

https://blog.independent.org/2014/09/18/the-givers-dystopia-total-equality-and-no-humanity/


This principle is as sure as gravity:

Right-thinking produces right actions & good outcomes

Wrong-thinking produces wrong actions & bad outcomes


"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." ~ George Orwell

IDEAS always have consequences: Good ideas lead to good culture and good government, and bad ideas lead to bad culture and bad government.

Decades of bad IDEAS are now blossoming into chaos.


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Who's “The Giver” now?

More then 50 years ago .. Malcolm Muggridge wrote:

So the final conclusion would surely be that whereas other civilizations have been brought down

by attacks of barbarians from without, ours had the unique distinction of training its own

destroyers at its own educational institutions, and then providing them with facilities for

propagating their destructive ideology far and wide, all at the public expense. Thus did Western

Man decide to abolish himself, creating his own boredom out of his own affluence, his own

vulnerability out of his own strength, his own impotence out of his own erotomania, himself

blowing the trumpet that brought the walls of his own city tumbling down, and having convinced

himself that he was too numerous, labored with pill and scalpel and syringe to make himself

fewer. Until at last, having educated himself into imbecility, and polluted and drugged himself

into stupefaction, he keeled over--a weary, battered old brontosaurus--and became extinct.”

June 24th 2020

Giving honor where honor is due: 

... to John Rylance  for the enhanced of quote by Winston Churchill 

... to Steve Anthony on LI for the quote by George Orwell  https://www.spaceandmotion.com/Philosophy.htm


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Comments

Lyon Brave

3 years ago #42

I suppose traditionally we would not befriends. I am glad beBee has given us a chance to learn the other's mind and heart. You write some very profound things. This one I think is a good idea for a youtube video. “If the present tries to judge the past, it will lose the future. All men make mistakes but only wise men learn from their mistakes” ~ Winston Churchill

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #41

#45
Lyon Brave "Brave Lyon" I did not read this book until my son did (in 6th grade) ... I often think about the deep truths hidden in this book (not just for children) ... I have read Lois Lowry's commentaries but the Lord revealed to me much richer truths and lessons ... as mentioned in this post I agree with you the movie was "awful" ... missed so many valuable points I hope one day such an opportunity is presented to redo ;~) I am honored that you read ... very meaningful to me sweet, dear "bee"

Lyon Brave

3 years ago #40

The Giver was my favorite book growing up. Made into an awful movie. If i ever get to direct a movie, I would like to redo it. “Submitting to censorship is to enter the seductive world of The Giver: the world where there are no bad words and no bad deeds. But it is also the world where choice has been taken away and reality distorted. And that is the most dangerous world of all.” ~ Lois Lowry

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #39

#44
John Rylance ... I just started it ... I'm on Channeled Welk (chapter) ... Can already see inspiration for some poems ;~) If you begin reading ... drop me notes on your thoughts "inner attentiveness" ... is a rich quality . .. how I wish I'd gained some of my present awareness as a younger me ;~)

John Rylance

3 years ago #38

#42
Just read a synopsis of Gift from the sea. I intend to get a copy, if for no other reason than to possibly find out more about the five shells and particularly about inner attentiveness.

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #37

John Rylance Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Hello my “best of bees” ... I am SMILING ;~) Right above your comment was a form of answer ... a post by another of the “best of bees” Phil Friedman “Finding the Right Balance” (an excellent post-although from 2017 – even more relevant in many ways) https://www.bebee.com/producer/@friedman-phil/finding-the-right-balance ... finding balance between laziness ... which produces shallowness and ... relaxing the mind (with Alpha waves) so as to reduce stress & improve thinking – and promote productivity & creativity The quote by Bill Gates reveals an understanding of human behavior: "I always choose a lazy person to do a difficult job because they will find an easy way to do it" There is wisdom here ;~) “Perhaps there are as many solutions to problems in the shallow end of life's pool as in deep end.” ~ John Rylance “Finding balance” is ever before us ;~) ... a “pool” ... a river ... a sea (they all have their deep & shallow places ;~) I’ll leave you with a thought from a book recently gifted to me: Gift from the Sea ~ by Anne Morrow Lindberg “The sea does not reward those who are too anxious, or too impatient. To dig for treasures shows not only impatience and greed, but lack of faith. Patience is what the sea teaches.”

John Rylance

3 years ago #36

#40
Thank you for the explanation.

Ali Anani

3 years ago #35

#39
John Rylance IN science, when we excite an electron relaxation follows. Excitation is energy consuming. Relaxation is energy-releasing. We only need to relax after we consume energy in thinking. I think that laziness or relaxation is for a short while. Enough to relax our brains. The frequency of which depends on how often we excite our minds.

John Rylance

3 years ago #34

#38
what I'm pondering on now is since they are similar, when does relaxation become laziness and vice versa. If "hang loose" or "chill out" on the question am I being lazy relaxed or even shallow.

Ali Anani

3 years ago #33

#37
Yes, you are right John Rylance Small "dozes"of laziness are needed to relax the mind and think of easy, but creative solutions. Our mind produce Theta waves when stressed with thinking. To produce more relaxing waves such as Alpha waves they meed laziness of the mind. It is when this laziness stays for prolonged times that it becomes shallowness.

John Rylance

3 years ago #32

#36
#35 I agree with your thought on laziness. However in the recesses of my mind is this Bill Gates quote. "I always choose a lazy person to do a difficult job because they will find an easy way to do it" It seems even lazy people have something to offer. Perhaps there are as many solutions to problems in the shallow end of life's pool as in deep end.

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #31

#35
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Oh my dearest Professor ... many thanks for another sweet share ... may it reach many receivers of the message I don't want to misquote Ken ... it was his comment that brought to mind your quote & my thought: ""Laziness is a close companion of shallowness ... “easy and immediate” keep close company". Yes, human beings covet the "EASY button"

Ali Anani

3 years ago #30

#33
Fay Vietmeier I than you for the grand mention and indirectly for reminding me to read this post again and reshare it again. Yes, I agree with you and Ken Boddie that "Laziness is a close companion of shallowness ... “easy and immediate” keep close company". It is a human nature to favor the path with least resistance.

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #29

#33
John Rylance John ~ I like the way your mind remembers ;~) “Recessional” was written by Kipling 120 years ago What an excellent reminder of how short is the attention span of man ... increasing like the corona in recent decades All valiant dust that builds on dust, And guarding, calls not Thee to guard, For frantic boast and foolish word— Thy mercy on Thy People, Lord! “Lest we forget"

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #28

#31
Ken Boddie Thanks dear "Bard" for making your way here ... your comment reflects your wisdom and insight ;~) Plus your creative mind ... “juggling chainsaws in traffic” (gives pause to be in a car with you ;~) Yes: "Symbols of the past merit explanation" ... understanding of the time & culture in which they occurred. This seems to go unnoticed ... discussing would lend to understanding What “SHAME” that history is not being truthfully taught ... “Misplaced shame” is being poured out on the unaware. I personally do not feel “shame” for wrong actions in history ... when I was not living ... did not participate Each person alive today can only speak into the present time & culture ... act with RESPONSIBILITY in this time “Take the time to study ... so as to learn” ... NOT happening ... not encouraged Our Professor has often said “shallowness is spreading” Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Laziness is a close companion of shallowness ... “easy and immediate” keep close company “We don’t see things as they are, we see them as we are.” Anais Nin Thanks Ken for the sweet share in the Cafe ;~)

John Rylance

3 years ago #27

#31
What sprang to mind when reading your comments, particularly about symbols erected of past people and events, was the phrase used at Rememberance Ceremonies "Less we forget". Which is a quote from Rudyard Kipling's poem Recessional written in 1897 to commemorate Queen Victoria's Jubilee.

Ken Boddie

3 years ago #26

You make some fair points, Fay, and include some interesting quotes. It is unfortunate, however, that the lessons of mankind’s history are only remembered by the few who choose to take the time to study them, and that our own individual past mistakes are all too easily buried in misplaced shame and even embarrassment, rather than treated as important stepping stones to betterment and mindful positive evolution. As for the symbols that have been erected of past historical figures, these are a double edged sword. They can serve to remind those with historical 20/20 hindsight to avoid the mistakes of the past, while drawing on beneficiary lessons learnt, or they can act as a.repetitious source of cancer for those who choose tunnel vision. Symbols of the past, presented without explanation, are as dangerous as juggling chainsaws in traffic.

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #25

Marc Walker I am so happy that you visited here and commented Marc ... Take good care of you ;~) That, too is a "principle thing" ;~)

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #24

Joel Anderson Hello my "river walker" I hope you are well ... You said before you are very busy with work. Hope that has eased some. Many thanks for reading & sharing Funny I was thinking about you yesterday ... Not sure if you caught this last poem: "What Color is Light" https://www.bebee.com/producer/@fay-vietmeier-pennsylvania/what-color-is-light

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #23

#26
John Rylance John~ sharing knowledge is a value (to me) Knowledge may come in the form of quotes ... rich thoughts ... ideas ... I appreciate you and all the bees who do Share in this way Words that we say Take time in our day ;~) Yes, honor to LP Hartley and thanks to you for sharing (I have The Go-Between on my “to read” list) Love the mention of Montaigne & Oscar Wilde ;~)

John Rylance

3 years ago #22

#18
I think the real praise should go to L P Hartley, as he made the statement. Montaigne in the 16thC said " I quote others to better express myself" Or as Oscar Wilde allegedly replied to someone who said " I wish I'd said that Oscar" "You will dear boy you will"

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #21

#24
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Interesting my dear Professor ... "customer effort score" Kind of makes me SMILE ... drives home our lazy spirit ;~) If it's not "easy" ... not interested "Easy" is for sloths IMHO I find that when I truly search for something ... I am rewarded An example might be the right image for a post ... or the right quote (endless hours of searching at times for the particular-minded bee ;~) And yes that ... "Zara" being with her wrong-place advertising campaign ... Javier \ud83d\udc1d CR ... this self-promotion is VERY off-putting ... such promotions should be blocked (perhaps there is a software that makes blocking this possible?) Be well my dear Professor ... I am missing you ;~)

Ali Anani

3 years ago #20

#23
Fay Vietmeier My dear and precious friend- there is a recent metric called "customer effort score". This hugely-important score is concerned with how much effort a customer will invest to get the desired information. The easier it is, the more successful the business is. You know very well that I depend on images greatly to explain m y posts. The effort I invested in trying to load images ended all in vain. How much effort I need to put distracted my attention away from beBee. This is sad. The lack of response from beBee meant to me that we are not important any more. I shall contribute again when I feel that it is almost effortless to publish. It is enough the effort that I spend on writing the posts. One other annoying issue is the ads promoting sexual-related drugs. I noticed that your post here got buried in the flood of those ads. I am sure you noticed the same and that you too got annoyed. BeBee has to wake up to make this platform as it used to be sometimes ago.

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #19

#22
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee ... that post is "simple creativity" personified ;~) I hope it reaches 10 times 23,350 views ;~) So worthy ;~) That added thought was contributed by John Rylance ... his reference to the book & quote: The Go-Between I miss you on beBee ... are you not going to post here ?

Ali Anani

3 years ago #18

#15
#18 Dears Fay Vietmeier Deep deep deep thoughts. The past is a foreign country. This is what a great example of simple creativity. BTW- thank you dear Fay for commenting on my posts on LI. By the way the straw-man post has now more than (23,350) views)!

Ali Anani

3 years ago #17

#5
Dear Fay Vietmeier I am smiling reading your thoughtful reply and more to read this part of it "... Decades of bad IDEAS are now blossoming into chaos". I am smiling because of your use of the word blossoming bad ideas! Your added thoughts are simply fantastic.

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #16

Jerry Fletcher Preston \ud83d\udc1d Vander Ven Ken Boddie Cyndi wilkins Randall Burns Lisa Vanderburg Lisa Gallagher

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #14

#17
John Rylance Added the thought ... to your honor ... Truly enriched the thinking I was trying to express ... many thanks John ;~) "The past is another country they do things differently there" ~ L.P, Harley The Go-Between A lesson from this book: “humanity is alienated from the past, yet not free from it, a past that continues to exist in and to control the subconscious” ... Profound TRUTH ... Until we learn the lessons of history and rightly apply them ... we will never be free of the past. Until we wake up ... become aware ... the past “exist in & controls our subconscious.” ... Thus does history repeat itself.

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #13

#16
Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador Many thanks Franci ~ for "excellent" ... please know, meaningful to the bee called "me" is your reading & comments We are in a time where "pondering” has great value ;~) Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee I draw your attention to the comment by John Rylance & my reply #15 ... profound truth in a few words on the entire post

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #12

#15
John Rylance John ~ You are a surprisingly deep well ;~) What a great reference and quote: I must confess I was not familiar with the book you site The Go-Between by Hartley ... I did a bit of looking and will hope to get this at the library ... many thanks ;~) I love this quote: and see it appears two ways: “The past is a foreign country; they do things differently there.” "The past is another country they do things differently there" Because of a comment in one of the “interpretations” of this book: I am going to add a thought ... to your honor ;~) Here is the thought: “humanity is alienated from the past, yet not free from it, a past that continues to exist in and to control the subconscious” ... Profound TRUTH ...

John Rylance

3 years ago #11

Great thoughtful piece. I would sum it up as you can't change or ignore the past, but you can influence the future based on what has happened in the past. What comes to mind is this quote by Hartly in The Go-Between. "The past is another country they do things differently there" That difference might be right of wrong either way we can learn from it.

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #10

#7
Roberto De la Cruz Utria Thank you Roberto for your thoughtful comment and encouragement. Also: I added the quote you shared (merged with the other quote by Churchill ) ... it fit perfectly ;~) “If the present tries to judge the past, it will lose the future. All men make mistakes but only wise men learn from their mistakes” ~Winston Churchill It is true what you say: "sometimes, the outrage and impotence of the popular masses can lead to unfortunate events, they just hope for them to be heard, and take them seriously" ... my upset has more to do with the WAY it is being carried out ... looting & rioting ... destroying & defacing ... demanding ... violence "chaos is unleashed ... and it is worrying" I maintain this is the behavior of invaders ... bent of getting their way ... But I understand there are many, complexities ... over hundreds of years ... these issues are universal ... over thousands of years I TOTALLY support peaceful protest ... this is a path of persistence & patience and Wisdom is required.

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #9

#5
Mohammed Abdul Jawad Mohammed ~ I am honored when you read my thoughts ;~) as expressed here. Your words “inspiring, thought-provoking” are an encouragement to this bee ;~) You are kind to use the word “silliness” ... for people who ... “err in haste, intentionally fail to perceive well and repent not sincerely for our mistakes.” Scripture is harsher ... refers to such behavior as “foolish" Yes: humility is a beautiful quality ... even rare in the age of “self” as god “Wise” is the person who learns from mistakes and tries not to repeat them God’s Word is a treasure of wisdom and guidance. Not deemed “relevant” by vast numbers but that does not alter its value or its Truth. Wishing God's rich wisdom & blessing ;~)

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #8

#4
Debasish Majumder I appreciate your reading and encouragement Debasish ;~) ... thank you for your sweet share ...

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #7

#3
Greg Rolfe Greg ... I appreciate your reading and strong endorsement “exceptionally put” ... many thanks I’m not sure if this is how you meant “risk” ... speaking truth into what is unfolding in our country If “Truth” were a targeted statue to tear down ... deface ... spit at ... revile ... burn ... hate ... reject or refuse to accept It would still remain ... Truth is Truth ... the same: yesterday ... today and forever Unchanging & Eternal

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #6

#2
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee I forgot to add sweet thanks for your multiplied shares my dear Professor ;~) I hope the message lands "right-side-up"

Fay Vietmeier

3 years ago #5

#1
Ali \ud83d\udc1d Anani, Brand Ambassador @beBee Thank you, my dear Professor, for being the first to read ... you almost always are ... I’m honored by your attentiveness ;~) ... here are some thoughts I added in. Good leaders are good students of history. They rightly apply that knowledge. The ability to do this is called “wisdom”. The ability to live wisely with that knowledge is called “understanding” IDEAS always have consequences: Good ideas lead to good culture and good government, and bad ideas lead to bad culture and bad government. ... Decades of bad IDEAS are now blossoming into chaos. You say: turn our disappointment “up-side down” ... or our mistakes ... our bad judgments This would give us a different perspective: IF we are looking with “right-thinking ... I'll call this “right-side-up” ... it makes possible to look at ourselves or a problem “upside-down” or inside-out ... Learn from them ... ... Make restitution ... “Isn’t it pretty to think so” ~ Hemingway

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

3 years ago #4

Inspiring, thought-provoking post :) Indeed, we all, as human beings, have weaknesses, and we do mistakes. But, the silliness is that when we err in haste, intentionally fail to perceive well and repent not sincerely for our mistakes. And yes, one who never repeats mistakes is a smart person, and one who admits his/her mistakes is a humble person.

Debasish Majumder

3 years ago #3

lovely insight Fay Vietmeier! enjoyed read and shared. thank you for the buzz.

Greg Rolfe

3 years ago #2

Fay Vietmeier Exceptionally put! Your quotes are apt and succinct. This was a risk but I say one worth the taking.

Ali Anani

3 years ago #1

Fay Vietmeier You deeply touch upon an important issue. Absolutely, we learn from the past.If we erase it we erase the lessons. Even I add to the great quote that we need not necessarily forget about our disappointments if we may turn them upside down. I somebody steels an amount of money and then he regrets his ill-doings and stop acting as a thief. Is that enough? The wisdom to turn the disappointment of the past is by returning the money he stole.That is the real test. Lovely post my dear friend and so I shared it in two hives.

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