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Affinity Networking Is On the Line

Affinity Networking Is On the LineText Copyright © 2016 by Phil Fnedman — All Rights Reserved

A LOT OF BEES ARE TALKING THE TALK, BUT HOW MANY ARE READY TO WALK THE WALK? ...


On a recent installment of "He Said He Said" (Vol 17, by Jim Murray and Phil Friedman) an issue arose about the nature of Affinity Networking. And I was very surprised that so many otherwise committed "Bees" seemed to think that no Hives on beBee should ever filter or exclude any posts, even those posts that are manifestly outside the topical parameters set by the owners and administrators of those Hives when they were created.


The repeatedly expressed opinion was that limiting the posts in any Hive to a given topic or theme would undermine the free spirit of beBee...


Personally, I believe that is pure poppycock. Moreover, I submit that it is necessary for at least some Hives to be topically filtered, or the basic concept of Affinity Networking, as I have understood it since the first time Jim Murray and I interviewed beBee CEO Javier Camara Rica on HSHS on LinkedIn, will be completely and utterly destroyed. And beBee will become like Facebook with more rapidity than a Bullet Train.

However, it seems that the issue is very emotional for many "Bees", and so I have little anticipation that rational argument will be at all effective in the discussion.


Therefore, I propose instead to tell you a short story...

I had a dream last night. In my dream, I woke up in the morning and, while getting my coffee and breakfast ready, I turned on the TV channel I listen to for national and international news. The newscaster started coming through as usual, but after about a minute, the stream suddenly changed to a reality show about kidney stones. Thinking that the cable company might be having some sort of technical difficulties, I switched to a different news channel. But instead of news, it was running old episodes of America's Got Talent.

So I went to the on-screen guide and started flipping channels looking for news, but every time I found a listing for news, that channel was actually broadcasting something else. Like a golf tournament or a game show or home improvement saga.

And I thought, where the hell is the news I'm trying to get?

So, I called the cable company Customer Service Department, which informed me that a decision had been made to freely mix up the content on the various listed channels. Because it was too restrictive and anti-democratic to limit a news channel purely to news. And after all, why shouldn't a reality show about hemorrhoids have an opportunity to be broadcast on the CNN or MSNBC channels? And why do I care, anyway? Who appointed me the Cable Channel Police?

So. I shut off the TV, and sat down to have my breakfast, while reading a book in an effort to calm down. I picked up a copy of a Robert B. Parker Spenser book and opened it.  While taking a long gulp of coffee from my mug.

And promptly spit the coffee out in a violent spray...

For inside the book's cover, which clearly told of a Parker Spenser-series novel, were pages from the Gideon Bible.

Then I woke up -- this time for real, I think -- in a cold sweat, glad that the intellectual chaos to which I appeared in my dream doomed, was not real.

At least, I think it wasn't. But then I haven't yet turned on the TV or opened a book today.  ─ Phil Friedman


Afterword:   For the record, and before you start writing comments accusing me of pissing on the beBee parade,  I understand completely that beBee is a work in progress, and that it takes time to find and work out all the conceptual and system bugs in anything as complex as a social media platform.

However, while I have from early on supported and continue to support Javier Rica, Juan Imaz, and now Matt Sweetwood and John White, and the rest of the beBee crew in their efforts to build beBee, I would not be a true friend to them or to beBee, if I did not speak out about what I consider to be the single most important problem to solve, earlier rather than later, in the platform’s development. ─ PLF


About me, Phil Friedman: With 30 some years background in the marine industry, I've worn numerous hats — as a yacht designer, boat builder, marine operations and business manager, marine industry consultant, marine marketing and communications specialist, yachting magazine writer and editor, yacht surveyor, and marine industry educator. I am also trained and experienced in interest-based negotiation and mediation. In a previous life, I taught logic and philosophy at university.


The (optional-to-read) pitch: As a professional writer, editor, university educator, and speaker, with more than 1,000 print and digital publications, I've recently launched an online program for enhancing your expository writing: learn2engage — With Confidence. My mission is to help writers and would-be writers improve the clarity of their thought, master the logic of discussion, and strengthen their ability to deal with disagreement.



To schedule an appointment for a free 1/2-hour consult email: info@learn2engage.org.




#BEBEEVERSUSBEBEE #AFFINITYNETWORKING #BEBEE

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Manuel Chinchilla da Silva

Manuel Chinchilla da Silva

1 year ago #273

Interesting! Thanks for sharing.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

2 years ago #272

#438
Thank you, , for commenting and in so doing, giving this post new legs. It's one of my greatest satisfactions that several of my posts on beBee seem to live on... and on... and on. Cheers!

Javier 🐝 CR

Javier 🐝 CR

2 years ago #271

#434
thanks Cyndi. Anyway we need to improve a lot our platform and we will do it when we can. Now we are happy to be growing a lot again !!!🤩🤩🤩🤩🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

2 years ago #270

Hmmm, Cyndi wilkins, could it be that you mistake genuine engagement for defensiveness? One of the things that I think I've been known for is that I don't see engagement as consisting of I speak, you comment, and... then we're done. If I believe I haven't been clear or someone has misinterpreted my point or position, I never hesitate to continue the conversation... for the sake of achieving clarity, in good faith. I think that's why some of my pieces through the years have garnered comments and reply numbers in the hundreds. Thank you for taking the time to read and comment. Cheers!

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

2 years ago #269

#432
"@Cyndi wilkins, I've never said that any content is "irrelevant" in and by itself. Some is better written, some worse. Some is more interesting (to me), some less so. And I've never asserted that just because content is outside my sphere of interest that its worthless." I 'm a bit perplexed by your defensive reply Mr. Freedman...I see no indication of my accusing you of such...I was simply responding with my take on a dream I thought to be interesting in your article...and I see no reason why you should be offended by those who do not necessarily see things your way when expressing an opinion on your content...Don't misunderstand me...I am neither agreeing or disagreeing with anything you have stated here....Your dreams are your dreams...Take from them what you will..and it is certainly reasonable to expect content on 'automobiles' when you search those hives... Personally, I think Javier \ud83d\udc1d C\u00e1mara Rica have a pretty good handle on their platform... But that's just my opinion. Please do pardon me if I've 'missed your point' once again...Must be one of my basic failings...Cheers to you too;-)

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

2 years ago #268

All -- thinking about this again after more than 2 years, it still baffles me why some people don't or can't recognize that not every space on a social media platform is a fully public space where people can publish whatever and whenever they want. Yes, some spaces on social media are public in that sense, but some are not and should not be. If you doubt this, please ask yourself what the definition of "spam" is -- other than content that is forced upon you via email and the internet in contradistinction to your expressed wishes and which inundates and interferes with the reasonable management of your time online?

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

2 years ago #267

#431
Cyndi wilkins, I've never said that any content is "irrelevant" in and by itself. Some is better written, some worse. Some is more interesting (to me), some less so. And I've never asserted that just because content is outside my sphere os interest that its worthless. The point I make is very limited and well-defined: When I "sign up" for content about automobiles, I don't want that to cause me to be inundated with content about dating or cooking or playing poker. And if beBee doesn't keep that from happening, it trashes the concept of Hives and networking by affinity. My point is nothing more, nor less than that. Cheers!

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

2 years ago #266

#430
Point taken Phil Friedman;-) Whatever the message, each of us will have our own 'takeaway' from the pieces we choose to engage with...Perhaps what you may perceive as basic failings others may view as an opportunity...Even irrelevant content is an opportunity to learn something new;-)

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

2 years ago #265

#429
Sorry, Cyndi wilkins, but that was not my point. My point was that I sat down to enjoy one of Robert B. Parker's "Spenser" novels (which are great light reading, to my mind) but was faced with biblical prose when I opened the cover -- cognitive dissonance at its height. Which when I wrote this piece, I saw as one of beBee's basic failings. Cheers!

Cyndi wilkins

Cyndi wilkins

2 years ago #264

Love the message of the 'dream' Phil Friedman...."So. I shut off the TV, and sat down to have my breakfast, while reading a BOOK in an effort to calm down...For inside the book's cover, which clearly told of a Parker Spenser-series novel, were pages from the Gideon Bible." Sounds like calming our minds and getting back to the basics is something we all should be doing more of in this crazy digital world;-)

Javier 🐝 CR

Javier 🐝 CR

2 years ago #263

#423
very true Mr Murray

Bill Stankiewicz, 🐝 Brand Ambassador

#416
very true, I look at reading from several news sources and various publications on news topics. Many great buzzes here I share with my University Students 🎓🎓🎓🎓🎓🎓🎓👩‍🏭👨‍🏭🤼‍♀️🤼‍♀️⛹🏻‍♂️🤺🤼‍♂️🇪🇸🇺🇸👍👍👍🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝🐝

Bill Stankiewicz, 🐝 Brand Ambassador

Still a good post Phil, keep buzzing,I enjoy reading the articles here on beBee & the many new friends made here. Teaching Today’s and Tomorrow’s Leaders with beBee by promoting more kindness 😎🎓👩‍🏭👨‍🏭. Sincerely, Little Savannah bee, Bill Stankiewicz

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #260

#422
Javier, I'm aware that beBee is primarily business. Like in any other business profitability is crucial but so is growth. I was only referring to promises that have long expired.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #259

#420
Phil, I'm not in the position to give to anyone advice about running a business. But I think that the management should always keep the end user in mind when designing or improving a product of any kind, and the beBee platform is a product in progress. End-user feedback is a key element in building a better platform and providing a positive user experience.

Jim Murray

Jim Murray

2 years ago #258

This is probably the most read and most engaged with article I've seen here on beBee. Not bad for a Florida Grump.

Javier 🐝 CR

Javier 🐝 CR

2 years ago #257

#417
Lada we will do it when we can :) No voices have been ignored ;). We are focused on profitability and that is happening these months !!! 🤩🤩

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

2 years ago #256

#419
Thanks for saying so, Franci\ud83d\udc1dEugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador. Good to hear from you. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

2 years ago #255

#417
Thank you, Lada \ud83c\udfe1 Prkic, for reading (again) and commenting. Over a period of more than a year, I wrote an entire series of 8 posts on brBee vs beBee (beginning with this one) in the hope that management and ownership would see the light concerning the critical nature of "organic develolpment" and the importance of "listlening" to the active membership. Unfortunately, I failed to achieve that goal, despite the fact it was obvious from the stunning response to the series that beBee had an opportunity to change the face of social media and professional networking. FWIW, I put the failure to the management emphasis on the exit and buyout. There are two ways to run a business. 1) With an eye to making it successful over the long run and establish long-term stability, or 2) concentrate on making it *appear* to be growing and thriving, always with an eye to floating an IPO or a VC buyout, and a quick exit for founding ownership. My experience is that the latter approach succeeds in about the same percentage as the millions of would-be NBA aspirants. Cheers!

Franci 🐝Eugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

Excellent post, almost 3 yrs later.

Javier 🐝 CR

Javier 🐝 CR

2 years ago #253

#416
Claire, I saw you already updated them  https://www.bebee.com/producer/@claire-cardwell/crescentwood-house-by-claire-cardwell-blue-designs despite of the error message it is always done ;)

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

2 years ago #252

I'm glad that this post came back to life and appeared on my newsfeed. Such a long comment stream seems like a time machine. It extends over three years, and I see many faces of commenters that are not on beBee anymore. Also, it's good to recall what the management promised two years ago and has there been any improvement since then regarding hives. Obviously, the "voice of the bees" has been ignored. :)

Claire L Cardwell

Claire L Cardwell

2 years ago #251

Phil Friedman - am stirring the pot again... I can't edit my posts anymore and it's driving me nuts. FYI I don't watch the news on TV much anymore, it's far too full of advertising, manipulative marketing and 'product placement' - almost like one of those old soapies.

Lyon Brave

Lyon Brave

2 years ago #250

sigh...

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

3 years ago #249

Thanks, Claire L Cardwell, for stirring the pot by sharing this post again. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

3 years ago #248

#410
Res ipsa loquitur, John Marrett. Remember, those who are foolish enough to record (and remember) history are bound to be disappointed. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

3 years ago #247

Thank you, Bill Stankiewicz, \ud83d\udc1d Brand Ambassador, for sharing this post. It set a record for the number of comments, so I infer the topic was of serious interest. In fact, it is the first part of an eight-part series that appears on beBee, but has also been gathered into a "collection" on Google+ as #beBeeVersusbeBee -- https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/U6_oXE For anyone new to beBee and interested in the extended discussion. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

3 years ago #246

#405
you are correct, Francisco. Sharing to a hive is a path for an author to reach beyond his or her list of followers. The problem is the hives are supposed to be arranged around topics, for example, cars or business or outdoor living. When a reader joins a hive, they do so in order to receive a particular type of content. And if I join a hive about car racing, I don’t want, as a result, to be inundated with articles about playing poker or collecting leaves.Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

3 years ago #245

#404
Lyon, there ARE general hives to act as catch-all’s. For example, English on beBee. And if there aren’t enough, the answer is to add some... not mix unrelated content into very content specific hives. You have to keep in mind that joining a hive affects what you see in your feed. Like subscribing to a special interest magazine. How wiould you feel if you subscribed to a magazine nominally about art, but found that most of the articles carried were about skiiing and cooking?

Francisco Lopez

Francisco Lopez

3 years ago #244

#402
That's correct.

Francisco Lopez

Francisco Lopez

3 years ago #243

I favor some type of filtering but should be left to the group moderators and owners. In example, some post may sound political some hives but not in others. A post showing the current president dismantling the EPA may be appropriate in Politics, Climate Change, Environment hives, maybe not in others.Another thing is that it is easier to cross post than to write. Many hives will be at the mercy of those who can use their time and effort to write for free. When one uses good sources and post relevant content, you help the hive and the site. The current model, limit that to one's followers. Exposure will never be really absolute. I imagine the million people that used to write in LinkedIn triggering notifications to all members. You would have to receive a million notifications if everyone posted the same day. Of course, their error was to limit one's articles exposure too much. This is why beBee became our craze. You have a better chance to be read here, even it is still a nascent site in the USA. BTW, I run several groups in LinkedIn and several hives here. Also, one is limited to share in three hives, I can do the same in 100 groups in LinkedIn (50 at a time). Writing can produce branding, and, in that sense, beBee can contribute to this by becoming a sort of writers paradise. am still here and promoted the site heavily. Let's see what happens with V 2

Lyon Brave

Lyon Brave

4 years ago #242

yeah it does noy make aense to have irrelveant content posted in THE wrong niche. Perhaps THE concern is not all topica have hives and clearly some spaces are more user driven

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #241

#401
Florens. Damn autocorrector!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #240

#401
True, Florenza, but the problem is that Hive admins need the power not only to content filter their hive, but also to lock out repeated spammers and other offenders. Otherwise, it's like you and I trying to have a conversation about a subject of common interest (affinity in action) only to be constantly interrupted by some drunk telling off-color jokes and pushing other people out of the way. Thank you for reading and commenting. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #239

#392
Glad to have made you laugh, Kata Rina. Thank you for reading and commenting. Cheers!

Charlene Norman

Charlene Norman

4 years ago #238

Phil Friedman impeccable logic. No argument here!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #237

#396
Thank you, Charlene Norman, for reading and commenting -- even if you did not tackle the other 395 comments in this thread. In the main, I agree with you about the majority of users on social media somehow feeling that all which goes on is their free and open sandbox. I disagree, of course, with them about that. If I invest my time and labor in owning and administering a beBee Hive or a LinkedIn Group, I believe it is my prerogative to filter the content posted there in respect of topicality or lack thereof. Just as I did when I was a Senior Editor for an international yachting print magazine. If anyone wants to see an open free-for-all beBee hive or LI group, that person is free to own and operate his or her own. Plain and simple, to my mind. Not complicated or difficult to understand. As I've repeatedly said here (not to you, but to others) is that if someone signs up in the "Cars" hive to receive content about automobiles, it is nuts to think its okay to flow articles on cooking to them through THAT hive (although perhaps not nuts to send them a piece about the best vehicles for "tailgating" at sports events). For me, this is not about being qualified to speak on a given topic. For good or bad, social media platforms are not editorially controlled or peer-reviewed venues. And I am in favor of the free expression and exchange of ideas and opinions. With the caveat, however, that while everyone has a right to freely express his or her ideas and opinions, nobody is under any obligation whatsoever to read or listen or pay the slightest bit of attention. #LETTHEAUDIENCEDECIDE . Cheers!

Charlene Norman

Charlene Norman

4 years ago #236

Phil Friedman Last piece I see the interaction on social media, the give and take, the passing of opinions, the generous sharing, the moving completely off topic, the introduction of extraneous stuff, the dissing of opinions, all in a very similar vein. Perhaps a bit jaundiced. But similar human behavior. Hard to control. Without annoying someone and changing something in the process.

Charlene Norman

Charlene Norman

4 years ago #235

Phil Friedman It reminds me of a set of incidents some fifteen years ago. We Canadians believe everyone has rights, no matter how whacky and silly and self-serving they can be. We set up a Human Rights Tribunal Board to hear ALL employer/employee discriminatory cases. Any employee who feels wronged for any reason can lodge a complaint. It is up to the employer to prove its innocence regardless of the nature of the complaint. There is no gatekeeper, no ‘triage nurse’ assessing and sorting by priority. Every single case is assigned the exact same level of weight. Consequently, the Board gets bogged down and backlogged very quickly and takes up to 18 months to hear an easy case, three years a complex one. I went before the board three different times armed with lawyers for three different frivolous cases. Each time, the employer legitimately was cleared, the employee was found guilty. YET, because there was no initial triage (and a few other ways the system was set up), the employer had to pay for everything. The employee incurred no penalty for bring frivolity and wasting so much time. Zip zero nada. They were free to do and continue to do as they pleased.

Charlene Norman

Charlene Norman

4 years ago #234

Phil, I just stumbled across this note your wrote. I can’t see all the 384 responses and nor can I read all the subtle and not so subtle nuances. I thought I would just jump in with both feet and share my two cents worth. And I just learned there is a limit of 2000 characters so this will be in three parts I think You are correct in your premise. One of the many unfortunate side effects of social media is that everyone thinks they are an expert and their opinion, no matter how uneducated, ill-informed or unfocused is just as weighty and worthy as everyone else’s. And unfortunately, there is no triage effort or effect built into any social system that seems to work well. So you end up with a stew exactly as you described

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #233

#392
Yes, Kata, when I post a selfie in a business hive, readers mark it to be reclassified to the humor hives. Thanks for reading and commenting. Pleased it brought a smile and a chuckle. https://www.bebee.com/producer/@friedman-phil/conversations-with-my-wife-about-my-writing

stephan metral 🐝 Innovative Brand Ambassador

#390
javier i never doubt of it. I do not fear the future because i do not live in the past and i do not regret things that i have no control on, nor i cry or any form of complain about it. As Matt swwetwood wrote recently i do not keep in my sight people that are making me sad or energy drainers. So to conclude no filter aigainst affinity propagation (it isblogic), reclassify button to control attemp and a mute feature to keep all happy free open minded users from sad ones. That keep the peace in the hives. I look forward to june 2017 ! At Engineeo we know where your lifecycle is leading you too. Let us beBee admirative. Regards.

Javier 🐝 CR

Javier 🐝 CR

4 years ago #231

stephan metral \ud83d\udc1d Innovative Brand Ambassador HIVES will become more powerful. beBee will be amazing. We are working hard on it, and we will enjoy a LOT of improvements during this year ! :-)

stephan metral 🐝 Innovative Brand Ambassador

#388
As we say in France, when communication is impossible, insurrender to your magnificience, but you we the french guys, forget us....communicare...put the things together..so general knowledge can grow....in another time, in another place. it is a pity you didn't answer the affinity propagation questions...a pity. Have again all my respect, and great conversations with bees in hives. Let's filter ! A special thanks to Javier \ud83d\udc1d beBee Did you subscribe to Startupranking? beBee has changed categories and countries since my post....LOL ...long live to scientific affinity propagation!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #229

#387
Stephan, when you say that "semantic fields that are in contents that users read and use or interact with have a lot to do with my user wall releases, otherwise in wouldn't discover some news hives..." I agree that an algorithmic sort of key words likely has an effect on which posts turn up in whose feeds, but I prefer to accept the statements of Javier \ud83d\udc1d beBee when they explain that membership in hives also affects the distribution of posts into feeds (walls, in your parlance). As to discovering new hives, I submit that you are just plain wrong. For one can find new hives by searching the list of hives, or by following the links that suggest them periodically in the general feed or clicking on the links provided at the end of each post, in one of a half-dozen other ways. If there were no concern over mis-posting to topic-inappropriate hives, there would be no need for the "reclassify" button that is already provided (but which I submit is inadequate to do the job for proper hive management). Clearly you feel it is presumptuous of me to expect that you would have read the article before commenting on it. So, let us mutually agree that our differences on this are irreconcilable, and each move on. Thank you again for commenting. And cheers!

stephan metral 🐝 Innovative Brand Ambassador

#386
too bad i am such a dumb guy...but i read the bible in my car while waiting my elder son at his school so i can bring him home. You see the bible is also a vehicule, and if the blogger wants to post in car hive, why should he be filtered. when i read you it seems that your expectation was disapointed but only by the belief that biblical post shouldnt be in hive such as cars. So freedom of choice is a stake now, i hope i can still in the future read biblical posts in cars hives....and yup content filtering topic filtering have to do with affinity propagation. BeBee is not a groupware software. Sorry to disagree. If beBee is programmed the way we at Engineeo think it has been done, the semantic fields that are in contents that users read and use or interact with have a lot to do with my user wall releases, otherwise inwouldnt discover some news hives. As i said it is about programing and not adminsitrating. We are 26 in the company and unanymous about it. We are very impress by Javier \ud83d\udc1d beBee 's work regarding this aspect of bebee relying on affinity propagation. And reading your answer we have a question: are you familiar with affinity propagation its origin who discovered it etc ?

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #227

#385
Sorry, Metral, but I do not believe you understand here what I mean by "topic-filtering". BeBee uses hive membership to help determine what posts get distributed to what members. When I join the "Cars" hive, I do not expect to end up seeing pieces on biblical studies in my feed because they are wrongly posted in the Cars hive. Topic-filtering has nothing to do with the practice of algorithmically controlling the distribution of posts to reader/members. Thank you for reading and commenting.

stephan metral 🐝 Innovative Brand Ambassador

I don't make remarks ever never. Debates ain't my things. But science Is. Unleash beBee, the Bebee i see , the Bebee l know. oh! You cannot stop affinity propagation.... unless ..... HUH.--You start filtering. FB is social media, LinkedIn is a recruiter database , bebee is affinity propagation not a saas Groupware. check Javier \ud83d\udc1d beBee EEC program credentials.

stephan metral 🐝 Innovative Brand Ambassador

Javier \ud83d\udc1d beBee Unleash the "bebeeast" ! Go Your own model!

stephan metral 🐝 Innovative Brand Ambassador

3Dexperience from Dassault Systemes with who i work with as an education partner doesnt content or topic filter for the same reason. Sometime nature need chaos or freedom. Since i used beBee reading articles from Juan Imaz okay they re ambassadord...now the fact that topic have no control leash allowed me recently to change the nature of followers. I love that. No more BAs but everydays bees with a different purpose...their individual ones.

stephan metral 🐝 Innovative Brand Ambassador

Sorry for the keyboard mystypes...freedom of opinions...but i also wrote: good points...meaning there i was underligning your points in the article. My nature is more pragmatic than 100% cerebral.Javier \ud83d\udc1d beBee leads a team of talents and they do work in a team way with a programing lifecycle as i manage my teams, my scientists, my solutions architects and code wizards. If no content filtering is prior to publication it is for not narrowing the data available to affinity propagation, which bebee is based on and that other social media lack from the begining.

stephan metral 🐝 Innovative Brand Ambassador

#380
i entitled my comment freedom of speech for everyone wirhin the affinity networking. Meaning by there all and every opinions are valued, even counterflow ones. I wouldn't dare commenting the topic, you have way more expertise, experience and wisdom. I usually see your posts but do not read them because they are not appealing my attention and the format doesn't fit my habits. Said so you have an undeniable talent for writing. Now the title this time caught my eyes. Affinity networking as mentionnef doesn't exist by itself but affinity propagation does. In the world of IT you cannot capture nor code sentiment and emotion but convergence and clusters. Networking is about affinities...i think Javier \ud83d\udc1d beBee initially didnt restrict thevuse by any filter for affinity propagation reasons.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #221

#379
I am not sure Stephan whether you are commenting on the article or on some other comment in the thread. But this post is not about Free Speech, but about the need to topic-filter (control) the posts into various hives if -- and this is the core point -- affinity networking is to actually work as it is supposed to. Nobody here, certainly not I, has questioned the fact that beBee is a private, for-profit enterprise and, as such, has the right to do what it pleases (within the law) So, I am not quite sure where your remarks are directed. Thank you for reading and commenting. And cheers!

stephan metral 🐝 Innovative Brand Ambassador

FREEDOM OF SPEECH. Good points Phil. Ultimately beBee administration will lead through Business modwl of their own that they will strategically decide or alreadty have. It is their choice, their assets, not ours. For me it is a privilege to be on beBee, not a right. Matt \ud83d\udc1d Sweetwood and all the US team and board of advisors.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #219

#377
Robert, I agree. But I'd go further than that because I personally believe that, to be successful, hives need to be proactively run by their administrators, not left to the members and "gentle redirection[s]" -- which in my experience of more than seven years as a LinkedIn group owner and manager doesn't work. As to "some bleed", I believe you'll find a lot of "bleed" in the larger hives like Engineers and Technicians, as authors, marketers, and spammers (assuming those three categories are not congruous) seek to reach the greatest number of readers. Thanks for reading and commenting. Cheers!

Robert Cormack

Robert Cormack

4 years ago #218

I agree there's some bleed across Hives, @Phil Friedman. As you say, beBee is a work in progress, and we're all getting used to the concept. If you notice something in the wrong Hive, I'd suggest just giving the author a gentle redirection. We'll get better, promise. Thanks for the post.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #217

#371
Gerald, my friend, your insights are always welcome, notwithstanding the effort required to unravel the acres of Hechtare code they are written in. Cheers, bud. Bad puns never die. Indeed, they also never fade away.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #216

#372
Long enough, Gerald Hecht, to have completed a full Turing of the British Empire. :-)

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #215

#369
Concerning the YouTube video, Siraj, these kinds of shots used to be taken from a helicopter, but this video was taken by a drone controlled from aboard the yacht in the video. Thank you for your interest, and the kind words. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #214

Some recent interactions with this piece have led me to review what I wrote in what may be the most heavily engaged piece by an independent blogger on beBee to date. And I stand today by what I wrote then, which is that beBee has great potential that is not being realized. Said sincerely, even as I prepare to shift publishing emphasis to another platform, where real world business networking may actually be taking place. Cheers best wishes to all the good friends and contacts I've developed on beBee since I first set up with my good friend Jim Murray on LinkedIn. https://www.bebee.com/content/1339769/1206007

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #213

#365
In general, Siraj, I agree. Re your no. 5, however, my experience is that many top executives fail to take note of positive contributions and instead focus on negatives, even when one does not have anything to do with generating them.'kind of like killing the messenger who brings unwelcome, but honest news. When I ran a 600-employee yacht building company with two shipyards, I found it necessary to work hard with my execs to avoid such results, but the return in loyalty was more than well worth the effort. Not understood by many, though. Thanks for reading and commenting. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #212

#362
Thank you, Ivette, for the kind words. The "odd" thing is that here on beBee, ownership and management actually reads and discusses these issues with the user base. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #211

#360
Robert, I admit to often being obtuse, but I cannot see how just saying "No knitting responses" on MY posts, keep posts on knitting that appear in a hive about race cars out of my feed when I subscribe to that hive. This is not about filtering responses to posts; it is about keeping topically-inappropriate posts out of hives that describe themselves in focused terms as to subject matter.

Robert Cormack

Robert Cormack

4 years ago #210

Just say "No knitting responses" on your post. #359

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #209

#358
Not sure, Robert, what to make of our commonality of dreams. I do agree that those of us with work to do need to be reasonably efficient in the time we devote to social media. Not sure what you have in mind re "crossover", But there are "general" hives such as beBee in English which are not topic-filtered. My point is that hive membership affects what fills one's feed. And when I join a hive focused on Racine cars, I don't expect or want that to trigger a host of posts on knitting and universal consciousness filling up my feed and requiring me to scroll over tens of such articles in order to find what interests me. I don't think that takes more than a few seconds to contemplate and understand. Thanks for reading and commenting. Cheers!

Robert Cormack

Robert Cormack

4 years ago #208

Well, @Phil Friedman, I have dreams like that all the time. And, yes, we do need to be "hive specific" understanding that there can be some crossover. When I'm looking for subjects of interest, "hiving" as I like to call it, saves me time. I need to save time because I'm busy, and it seems I'm constantly wasting time trying to understand formats and social media "intent." I simply want to read good articles, good stories, good thoughts, and make comments where applicable (hopefully supportive or at least constructive). When this becomes an issue, I simply stop, I "drop off." Sort of like when I fall asleep and have "those" dreams.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #207

#351
Gerald Hecht, you know that I have always expressed abiding confidence in your legitimacy as a scientist and thinker. Indeed, I have felt genuinely benefitted by having run across "my favorite Mad Scientist" first on LinkedIn, and later on beBee. And in the midst of all the social media bull chips, I am moved often to say, "Thank you for your service." Cheers and my best to you, Gerry. Keep the faith.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #206

#349
Yes, Gerry, although sometimes I almost understand why Socrates drank the hemlock.

don kerr

don kerr

4 years ago #205

#345
bravo

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

4 years ago #204

#345
Jim, I genuinely appreciate your saying that. Particularly because you are no slouch at controversy yourself. I think the reason is that I work to read and genuinely answer Comments on my posts. And I am not afraid to go back and forth several times, because to me that is what conversation is all about. And for me, social media is, first and foremost, about conversation. Cheers!

Jim Murray

Jim Murray

4 years ago #203

Phil Friedman This is the single most viewed and commented on post on beBee that I have seen. And I'm sure that you will be the first to admit that it's because you are frightfully honest in the way you express your opinions. I wish there were a lot more people who would do that, besides the few that I know. This is a necessary part of what's needed if this site is going to be able to attract the kind of readers and users that it needs to fulfill its mandate. Just remember controversy is the root quality of any conversation. You create controversy and the conversation naturally follows. Because it's a hell of a lot more appealing that reading drivel that doesn't stimulate controversy other then controversial yawns.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #202

Thank you Kenneth for reading and taking the time to say so. Cheers! #343

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #201

#341
If that is the way you feel, Antoinette, you should try the news at CNNN, where Jim Able brings you all the news that's unfit to print. https://www.bebee.com/producer/@jim-able/bringing-you-all-the-news-that-s-unfit-to-print

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #200

#339
No comment.. Just teasing. 😉

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #199

#337
Thank you Karen Anne for reading and commenting. I notice that you are designated a CNN Women Leaders 2015. Have you seen Jim Able's CNNN news bulletins, bringing you all the news that's unfit to print? https://www.bebee.com/producer/@jim-able/bringing-you-all-the-news-that-s-unfit-to-print

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #198

#335
Mark, even newbies can be wise beyond their "age". Thanks for reading and commenting. Cheers!

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #197

#330
Mute for Phil Friedman, definitely :) A spontaneous process of self-organization

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #196

#329
Done, sure. Gerald Hecht, I am a man of few words. Can you believe that?

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #195

#327
Okay, Gerald. So how about we do a recap at this point. How many who have been following this discussion have actually taken some action to sharpen up their Affinity Networking? Are you muting the noise? Are you reselecting the hives that deliver the content you want, and filter that which you don't? Are you muting the users who consistently post what you consider drivel? Hey, stay away from that mute button on my Profile Page!

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #194

#327
The star is born Gerald Hecht :)

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #193

#324
Phil Friedman is a writing gem with a very unique style

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #192

#321
Gerald, you may be sorry that not everyone is good with words, but do not, my friend, believe for a moment that you fall into that category. Before writing comes thought. Personally, I find many of your insights fascinating and intellectually enriching. And that is where the rubber meets the road. Keep truckin' and stay cheerful!

John White, MBA

John White, MBA

5 years ago #191

314 comments. Wow, well done, bees!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #190

#317
Gerald, there are those who believe that pro football models life, and those who believe that life models pro football. Either way, sucking down beer and potato chips ain't luxury living, however enjoyable it might be.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #189

#315
I prefer not to rely on the law, which is an ass.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #188

#312
Some, Jim, would say it fits my personality. Cheers!

Jim Murray

Jim Murray

5 years ago #187

13.5 K VIEWS. That's insane, Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #186

#309
#310 I think of it like a smorgasbord, with everyone having the opportunity to eat what they choose. If you begin by throwing all the ingredients into a single stew pot, you make it impossible to find and take what you like from the mix, and in short order, it all turns into an undifferentiated mushy mass. If all posts on all topics flow indiscriminately into all hives, what is the point of having hives in the first place?

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #185

#305
And always remember, Gerald, that confirmation of identification comes in the fact that only the two of us know how many Chung King scrolls there really are.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #184

#303
Gerald, it is really I. My question is, is it really you. For I discovered you (after His Sharpeness did), nurtured you, stuck with you during your jousts with educational authority, follwed your meanderings, and am pleased and proud of the brilliant insights you have been dropping on us lately... I am like your Dutch Uncle, Adriaan Koerbagh... And anyway, who else has a shining, smiling countenance like mine?

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #183

#301
Well, Gerald Hecht, the situation can lead to some ironies, especially when it comes to certain genuine trolls and spammers. If enough people "mute" them, they end up speaking only to themselves... and may never know it. Of course, it probably doesn't matter to them, for they love most the sound of their own denigrating comments. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #182

#298
indirectly, I think. It appears that, in order to mute a user, you first have to unfollow that person. Once you unfollow them, they will not be able to direct message you or vice versa. So if you loses the ability to DM someone, it may be that they "muted" you. But understand that mute only works for them; other people can see what you're posting. cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #181

#294
thank you, Siraj, for sharing this. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #180

#295
Thank you, Karen Anne, for the kind words. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #179

UPDATE - PT II - The linke to a great Twitter posting on this and related topics is: https://twitter.com/zbyz?refsrc=email

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #178

UPDATE FOR ALL: The following statement from beBee Biz Buss (Zee Biz Buzz on Twitter) clarifies both the effect of joining a hive and the use of the "mute user" option: "4. Mute this user. When you join a hive you see the content of the users with whom you share that group, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that you’re going to find every single user relevant. This is why beBee offers everyone the possibility to mute bees that share content that they are not interested in." Takeaway: Join (and stay as a member of) only those hives who provide the type of content that you want to see and read. And if there are any particular users who consistently post material you don't like and don't want clogging up your feed, exercise your option to mute those users. This approach, if replicated by a majority of others will move beBee well along its chosen path to becoming the premier Affinity Networking platform on the internet. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #177

#289
@Mark Anthony - Not at all, Mark, you are not oversimplifying. Those who seem to be made uncomfortable by the concept of filtered hives are over-complicating the situation. (That does not include Andrew Books, who I've know a long time, and who is yanking my chain here to rev up the discussion). It's pretty simple. I'm proposing that some hives, at the option of their respective owners, be topic-filtered so that when I open my beBee and turn to my hives (because my general feed is overrun by all manner of content about which I couldn't care less), some of my chosen hives will be filled with exactly the kind of contant I do want to see and read. And that doesn't stop anybody from creating and managing an anything-posts hive, or being a member of one, or sharing content to such a hive. I think, Mark, you've summed it up pretty succinctly. Cheers!

Randy Keho

Randy Keho

5 years ago #176

We do not acknowledge Colin Kapernick's version of freedom of speech in the All Business hive. I would love to "throttle" him. #286

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #175

#286
- It's not throttling. And that claim is specious, at best. There are all manner of alternative hives that are fully "open" and not topic or otherwise filtered. This is another case of those who favor unfiltered hives on the basis of freedom of expression wanting to prevent those who would prefer to see filtered content from doing so. Randy Keho and I are running the All Business Hive ( https://www.bebee.com/group/all-business ), which is about as strictly filtered as you can get. And we've had to reclassify and remove several posts because people hadn't taken the time to read the posting guidelines. But we've only had one complaint -- and not from the original author of a piece, but from someone who wanted to share the post into the hive. The bottom line is that everyone is free to do what they wish regarding running or belonging to hives. But if you insist that I cannot filter a hive that I create and own, then that is where your "freedom" reaches over the line to impinge on mine. Like saying everyone is free to blast super loud music into the night air at 4:00 am. No, they aren't. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #174

#284
Good points, Gerald Hecht. To which I would add it's critical to know not only which screw to turn, but which to leave alone. One of my key pitch lines to prospective consulting clients is, "It's not that I'm so smart, it's just that I've made just about every mistake there is to make. And so can help you avoid the pitfalls." Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #173

#281
Gerald Hecht - you are correct. The coding mechanics are hugely complicated and Federico and his crew are clearly doing a great job. I see a wish list as similar to my pending projects list that thumb tacked up on the cork board near my desk. As long-term strategic guidance, and to remind me that I'll never run out of work. Thanks and cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #172

#279
Yes, Gerald Hecht, if bees of a flavor want to swarm together, they have to be ready to work at it.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #171

EXPLORING THE POTENTIAL OF TRUE AFFINITY NETWORKING...

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #170

#274
@Mark Anthony (Masters?) - sometimes a move re-opens beBee again. It can be annoying at times, but it can also be useful for someone such as me who often work in different sections of the platform at the same time. For example, in copying links from previous articles into a current draft for a new piece. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #169

#268
Thank you, @Aleta Curry, for agreeing to agree. That is a very refreshing experience for a change. Maybe I am getting soft in my dotage. Thank you, as well, for reading and commenting. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #168

#270
well, Mark, that is an interesting story. I remember somebody telling me something similar about an occurrence on LinkedIn. But that had to do with a "private" group whose rules were set at the outset and designed to discourage lurkers and spammers, so that the writer-members could engage with one another candidly about their work. And there was no judgement of editorial quality involved, only that a would-be member have demonstrated an effort at writing. That said, this is a bit different here. Not talking about excluding anyone from joining. Just proposing the need to topic-filter so that when a reader signs up to a hive on auto racing that reader is not inundated with cooking recipes via the auto racing hive. Thank you for continuing to read, and for commenting. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #167

#266
@Mohammad Azarn Khan - It is unfortunate that you had trouble finding a hive for your post. I would have thought you could find a home for it in Lifestyle, Culture, or Fashion. Certainly in beBee in English. Have you tried posting to any of these?

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #166

#264
Thank you, Donna-Luisa Eversley, for reading and commenting in detail. I agree that writers have to act responsibly in posting to Hives. However, I believe that the majority of the responsibility for filtering content to assure that it meets a Hives mission statement and profile falls on the Hive owner and managers. BTW, keeping some or most Hives as topic specific does not need to inhibit "cross pollination" as 1) there are some pieces that fit in more than one topic slot, and 2) having topic-filtered Hives does not preclude having an assortment of more general Hives, such as "beBee for English", where all manner of post topics can be carried. It is not an either or situation, but rather one in which to #LETTHEAUDIENCEDECIDE. But the audience can decide only if it can relay on the mission statement of a Hive it joins will be followed. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #165

#260
Pascal Derrien - the term is Volks-platform. I freakin hate autocorrectors!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #164

#260
Pascal Derrien - true, but it is not only the spammers and auto-poster who are a problem, but also those who simply post indiscriminately to any and all Hives, independent of topicality. If hive managers are given the tools, and do the job they signed up for, the majority of spammers and automated mass posters. can be blocked. But success will depend on developing the appropriate community ethos. If we beBee users want a "Volkswagen-platform", we need to be prepared to make it so. Cheers!

Pascal Derrien

Pascal Derrien

5 years ago #163

#258
thanks Phil Friedman :-) I agree I should have added self discipline alongside systemic processes for people who unlike me don't post organically but use hootsuite and other mass channels they can pollute channels very quickly, we have been sheltered to date mostly because I think the hive concept is still in its infancy and because # are low the test will be when scaling up :-)

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #162

#257
@Sharon Fulgenzi - I agree, except it is not so much a matter of WHO can post to which Hives, but one of WHAT can be pored to a given Hive. Thank you for reading and commenting. And welcome to beBee.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #161

#256
Pascal Derrien, you are correct in the main. However, in a decade and a half on social media, if I have learned anything, it is that self-discipline in this area is a completely foreign concept. The system has to be constructed and managed to achieve the desired ends. In the case of Affinity Networking, that means at least in part the Hive management has to be active in filtering content that is inconsistent with a Hive's mission statement (which every hive should be required to post) and self-avowed topic area. Obviously, perfection may be elusive, but that is not a reason to tolerate chaos. Cheers and greetings to you, and best wishes on the honor you received in being invited to write the intro for what promises to be a fascinating book on entrepreneurship.

Pascal Derrien

Pascal Derrien

5 years ago #160

I purposely try to find hives that would be relevant to the topic I share, some are a bit more mainstream e.g bb in english etc.... but I agree that lack of self discipline could lead to spamming and wreckless self promotions behaviours and diminish the value of AFFINITY sharing

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #159

#254
@Nick Mlatchkov - The problem with a "mute" function is that it stops you're seeing the posts of a given user, and in the context of Hive management I presume stops a user from posting or commenting to the Hive., but it does not prevent that user from seeing and following your posts and buzzes. Generally, if I don't want to see someone's posts, etc., I also don't particularly want them to see mine either, and be commenting on them, without my knowing. Block is a useful function in my estimation, provided that it does not also require one to "report" or complain about the user one wants to block. For the record, I personally have only blocked in my entire decade and a half on social media ONE person, who is a mean spirited, lying, petty, and scurrilous troll without any redeeming qualities. Usuallly, I simply unfollow or disconnect from people I don't want to hear from. Cheers for all the Olympic athletes, in the original spirit of the modern Olympics, which were founded on individual participation and achievement, and not intended to be a competition between nations. Thanks for reading and commenting.

Nick Mlatchkov

Nick Mlatchkov

5 years ago #158

#253
I see 'mute' as a different tool than 'block' which is too harsh for some situations (though good for trolls/spammers). Cheers for team USA @ the Olympics!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #157

#250
@Nick Miatchkov - You seem to be correct that the "mute user" is not functionng. I know that Javier beBee said a "block" function would soon be available, and my guess is that rather than fix the "mute user" function, beBee has decided to introduce a "blocking" function. Personally, I can't wait, for not is it good for shedding trolls, it is essential for being able to proplerly manage hives. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #156

@Nick,! don't know. Will have to rest with confirm. #250

Nick Mlatchkov

Nick Mlatchkov

5 years ago #155

#249
The mute clicks don't work, I raised that issue a while ago, though it's still unchanged. It's the same to u?

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #154

#244
Okay, Paul \??)

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #153

#246
Well thank you for saying so, @Dale Master, you are from my standpoint the bee's knees. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #152

#241
Okay, @Paul "Pablo" Croubalian. As a manager, on each buzz posted in my Hive, there is a drop down menu for 1) Remove Buzz, 2) Hide Buzz, 3) Reclassify, 4) Mute User, and 5) Report Abuse. Of these, I think 1) deletes the post from the Hive and is what you are asking for, is that not so? I'm not sure what 2) is or why it would be used. 3) is used to move it to a different Hive, kind of like picking up the dog crap from your front lawn and dropping it on your neighbors. (The beBee guys might consider dropping this one from the tool belt.) 4) would seem to prevent a user from posting in future in the Hive, which is a useful tool to stop MLMs and other spammers, not to mention trolls and other assorted jerks. And the use for 5) is obvious. So, don't you think the tools are already there... or is there something else specific you want to be able to do as a Hive manager? That is a genuine question, especially as @Javier beBee, @Juan Imaz, @Matt Sweetwood, @Federico Álvarez San Martín, and John @John White, MBA are watching this thead and would, I am sure be interested. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #151

#241
Okay, Paul \ are watching this thead and would, I am sure be interested. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #150

#239
@ Paul \ - I agree, but have two related questions. 1) Is my understanding correct that the Hives one belongs to have an effect on the content that one sees in one's general feed? And 2) don't the combination of Hive managers' tools to reclassify a post , delete a post, and block a user from the Hive satisfy your requirement? Or are you talking about a way of automating a content filter?

Javier 🐝 CR

Javier 🐝 CR

5 years ago #149

#234
this will be also solved :)

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #148

#236
@Deb Helfrich - thanks for reading and commenting. I am, however, a bit unclear on what you mean in this case. Could you elaborate, please?

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #147

#234
Jim Murray - The potential solution seems to me pretty straightforward. A given Hive takes X amount of beBee resources to support. Based on that consideration, my suggestion is to set a standard for minimum membership. If that membership level is not attained within one year of creating the Hive, it should be dropped by beBee. This is independent of issues pertaining to active management of Hives and all other issues. Strictly about taking up "space" on the platform, and using support resources, with insufficient pay-back -- whatever, you see that pay-back as beeing.

Jim Murray

Jim Murray

5 years ago #146

#84
I suggested to Javier very early on that redundancy would probably be an issue with hives. I don't know how many thousands of them there are now, but it's too late to do anything about that. The simple fact is that the 80/20 Differential kind of applies here in the 80% of all the hives will not attract enough members to sustain themselves. At some point, it becomes a band width issue for beBee. Not sure what the answer is, but I can definitely see the problem growing. Matt Sweetwood

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #145

#
LETTHEMILOSDECIDE.

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #144

#218
Phil Friedman is my friend and I carefully choose my friends, based on multiple assessment and not only on the basis of the current benefits. Disagreement is his virtue.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #143

#228
#LETTHEAUDIENCEDECIDE.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #142

Max Carter meet Robert Bacal, Robet Bacal meet Max Carter. The two of you share a lot in common, and I think you would enjoy interacting with one another. However, I believe that it has been amply demonstrated that this particular thread is a serious one, and I believe that your ongoing interference with the core discussion is both detrimental and disrespectful, not to me necessarily, but to the other participants, who number quite a few. I suggest that you give them the courtesy of taking your discontents elsewhere. If there is anyone out there, besides the two of you, who disagrees, please feel free to speak up.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #141

#223
Robert Bacal - once again you raise being disingenuous to the level of an art form. As you well know, or would if you ever bothered to read anything, or if you did could understand it, I have answered all of your mean-spirited questions and accusations in detail several times already. You are a would-be master of defamation by innuendo, whom I refuse to engage again, because as so many others, I find discussion with you completely and utterly boring. Have a nice life.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #140

#219
@Max Carter - Neither the question, nor the answers are important to me. Other than in the sense that this comment thread is on my post, and therefore I take seriously what goes on here. You chose to post a bull chip comment, then followed up with several other bull chip statements, at least two of which are mutually contradictory. (#204)(#208). And truth be known, I have a low level of tolerance for bull chips. But I've offered twice now to simply agree to disagree, and to #LETTHEAUDIENCEDECIDE. Just as you ask me why it is so important to me, I can reasonably ask you why is it so important to you to pursue? That's the thing about ad hominem argument, Max, whatever you say about someone personally can be said right back at you. In logic, it's called "tu quoque". So if you think I misunderstood or intentionall misconstrued your original comment about it looking like I was being paid to write this post and the answers to comments, just write it off to the fact that I am a cantankerous S.O.B. and move on. Just don't cast more bull chips my way. Thank you for reading and commenting. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #139

#215
Okay, @Max Carter - here's an opportunity to clarify what you said or didn't say, and to correct me in any wrong impression I may have or incorrect inference I may have made. 1) Did you or did you not work for some number of years as a paid freelance writer? (#204) 2) If so, were any or all of those gigs as a writer ".. to pose as members and write peer pressure pieces."? Simple yes or no answers to these two questions will settle the matter without allowing for misinterpretation of erroneous inference. Understand that I am not attacking you, only giving you an opportunity to clarify and correct any misrepresentations you believe I am making of things you've said. And it is no more, nor less than I've been doing on social media for years... Ask Andrew Books, or any of a couple of dozen others with whom I've been engaging since the days of W4W, P&B, and the Unfluencers on LinkedIn.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #138

#209
Andrew Books publishes and promotes pretty much the same material that he did in the group by the same name on LI. And oh yes, there is now also The Worldwide Authors Conspiracy Hive which will be promoted much more in the next few months upcoming. So, come back to the game, Andy. Roll up your sleeves, publish and help one or more of these Hives to grow in profile and reach. And we'll all benefit. Without, BTW, fearing that at some point all of our hard work will be dismantled by autocratic executive directive. Glad to be hearing again from you. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #137

#208
@Max Carter - As long as you keep ducking and dodging, there is no point in further discussion. Now, you say that you, "... never took one of those jobs though I read the descriptions and considered it a couple times..." (#208), but in your previous comment (#204) you state very clearly and specifically that what you are saying is, "... based on my years of taking on freelance writing jobs where social networks are known to post for jobs for writers to pose as members and write peer pressure pieces." Max, in my understanding of English, when you say you have many years taking on writing jobs, that means you worked at what you are referring to. What you may not understand about me, is that I actually read what you say. Something that, I admit, is not common on social media. So, please, do not try your "Shaman" now-you-see-it-now-you-don't switches on me. How about, you and I just agree to disagree, and leave it to others to judge for themselves if I have been unkind or unfair to you. And for the record, I don't remember ever commenting directly on one of your posts, although I have commented in a third-party context on something you said, and I have answered you when you comment on one of my posts. Cheers, and have a good life.

don kerr

don kerr

5 years ago #136

There is at least one person in this chain who would do well to reflect for a moment on an insightful quote from the actress Shelley Duvall who said ""Take events in your life seriously, take work seriously, but don't take yourself seriously, or you'll become affected, pompous, and boring." No ethereal links to the supernatural required to embrace that thinking.

don kerr

don kerr

5 years ago #135

#205
In which case I will 'fifth' the motion Gerald Hecht

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #134

#204
@Max Carter - You now talk about your, "... years of taking on freelance writing jobs where social networks are known to post for jobs for writers to pose as members and write peer pressure pieces". Does that mean you've hired out as a shill on social media? Are you doing that now? Or are you now in your authentic Shaman mode? Were you scamming then, or are you scamming now?

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #133

#202
Oh Max Carter, give it a rest. Your remark was taken as offensive not only by me, but by several others. And in the context of several other belligerent comments you've posted addressed to me, with the air of the "Shaman" condescension that you usually exhibit, I am not apologetic for taking it as I did. I am always open to discussing substantive disagreement with what I write and say, but substantive disagreement does not include pronouncements that I am wrong simply because you are right. Now, that you understand your tactics will not gain you followers or supporters, why not stop whining about the way you're being treated and shift to civil and positive conversation?.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #132

#199
Well, Gerald Hecht, a number of people have told me that my prose is sufficiently obscure that it requires multiple readings before any meaning that it might have becomes evident. Thanks for sticking with it. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #131

#196
@ - I am not sure why you think you put your foot into anything. What you are doing with your topic-specific Hives is. as I see it, precisely in line with the core principles of Affinity Networking. Indeed, I would go even further and say that, assuming you posted notice of some rules for a given Hive, when someone posts an article that is topic-inappropriate, as the Hive owner and manager, you have the right to reclassify or delete that post. I personally would always make an effort to send that person a brief note explaining why the action was taken, but I would do it nevertheless. Thank you for commenting and sharing your views on this.

Lisa Gallagher

Lisa Gallagher

5 years ago #130

#194
Dean Owen just about every time I read something at night Pa-US-EST about your morning coffee, I seriously begin to crave coffee! I will admit, I've made a cup or two after craving. Then I'm buzzing all night, literally and figuratively speaking. Now, off to make a latte! ;-)

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #129

#194
@ Dean Owen - "love" may be too strong a term, but I am motivated by a belief that beBee represents an opportunity to participate in the development of an organic worldwide community of people interested in interacting on an intellectual level. Perhaps that's naive in the light of experience with Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn, and the rest. But then if we see what might be, it's perhaps incumbent on us to try to make it so. Pleased, Dean, that I brought a laugh into your life this morning. Cheers!

Dean Owen

Dean Owen

5 years ago #128

#192
snake oil remedies 😆 Made me spill my morning coffee! ☕️ I think Max is right. Your love for beBee really shows through your writing!

Jim Murray

Jim Murray

5 years ago #127

This will easily go down as the longest comment stream on BeBee so far. What a jousting match,

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #126

#191
And @Max Carter, that is probably because I have, and continued to get paid for a lot of what I write for magazines and marketing clients. Although I am not paid for what I publish on beBee. For the record, since you bring it up, your stuff reads like your trying to sell snake oil remedies. Thank you for reading and commenting. Please contact me again, when you have something substantive to say.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #125

@ Stephane Fenner - I love it. How about a hive entitled "My Lunch in My Lap"? The possibilities are endless, if meaningless. The brilliance of the concept of Hives and Affinity Networking is that those who want to pursue, for example, emotional exhibitionism and/or emotive voyeurism are free to do so in Hives dedicted to such posts, whilst the rest of us can avoid that kind of content, should we wish to do so. Thank you for reading and commenting. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #124

#187
@Dale Masters - lighten up, bud, there is never a need to apologize if your comment is civil, which it was. Whether or not completely on topic, whether or not it is positive or negative in nature. I personally am always pleased when people take the time to read and comment. So thanks for doing so. And cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #123

#185
@Dale Masters - Thank you for reading and commenting. This is not the appropriate forum for a political philosophy discussion, and it is a mistake to take the beBee bee society marketing metaphor literally. Nobody expects beBee to actually be organized like a bee colony. So to draw conclusions about what should happen on beBee from the model of a real world bee colony is simply wrong headed. I believe beBee US CEO Matt Sweetwood put it best when he likened beBee and the Hive structure to a capitalist free market situation, in which Hive owners create and manage their own hives for better or for worse, and the market (the beBee bees, if you like) decide which hives they like best, and which best serve their respective needs. I agree with Matt that eventually this would all sort itself out, given the "unseen hand" of demand and market preference. However, I felt moved to start this discussion because I am concerned that none of the bees with whom I am acquainted (or at least not many of them) are yet grasping the underlying principle of Affinity Networking, and I for one don't want to see the platform languish in the meantime. Cheers!

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #122

#181
Gerald Hecht, I stay too long in school, so my damages are irreversible.

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #121

#178
This is the "biggest tragedy" of the millennial generation. Sometimes they forget to play.

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #120

#178
Very true Gerald!

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #119

Some important remarks below Juan Imaz :)

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #118

#175
Gerald Hecht, This is what happens when you become a doctor :)

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #117

#172
Phil Friedman, People will think that we are not serious and we are not:)

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #116

#167
Gerald Hecht - you under-rated some of us in terms of our depth of perception and ability to see through and below the facade, dawg. Cheers!

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #115

#169
Gerald Hecht, Third eye? :))

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #114

#167
You are hiding behind music Gerald Hecht, ok my friend. Regards, "dim" Milos

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #113

#156
Gerald Hecht, You understand everything, I know :)

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #112

#159
Milos Djukic - Wacko member.

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #111

#161
Phil Friedman, We are on the same mission, and fortunately we are not alone. I still believe in miracles :) Cheers my wise friend. C-Butterflies, Now and forever.

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #110

#159
Mr No-Muzak, Once again, Thank you very much for all excellent "disagreements" and we will continue...

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #109

#160
Milos Djukic - if it happens here on beBee the way we would like it to, then it will be serious evidence in favor of your butterfly effect theory, and a testament to the power of C-butterflies. Just as bumble bees cannot possibly fly, but do, C-butteflies cannot alter the course of the social media juggernaut, but actually do. Hope springs eternal. Cheers!

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #108

Phil Friedman, By using reductio ad absurdum prnciple, I tried to point out in my beBee article (one and only) titled "Fractals Forever" (https://www.bebee.com/producer/%40milos-djukic/fractals-forever?bblang=en_US&utm_source=bebee&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=internal) that our future "Brave New World", despite some dogmatic principles, could be a lot of different place, much better too and full of some glittering prizes for all of us. Even perhaps only on this micro scale (beBee camaraderie), where we have some influence, if not globally. 11 million is perhaps only "micro" now, but tomorrow it will not be.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #107

You see, Milos Djukic, how "disagreement" breeds the elucidation of ideas. I understand what you are saying, and would very much like to continue the conversation in a venue where we will not put all the other bees to sleep. :-) Let's make time. Oh, and by the way, consider joining the Worldwide Authors Conspiracy. You, my friend, are cettainly sufficiently Wacko. Cheers!

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #106

#157
Yes Phil Friedman, we are friends and I will forever treasure our friendship. I used to write about self-similar concept. Fractals can be exactly the same at every scale (self-similar and self-replicative), but also nearly the same at different levels. Only in the first case they are exactly self-similar. But also there are the following possibilities: Quasi Self-Smilarity, like the Mandelbulb, which I use as a picture in my Twiter account (partial copies), Multifractal System (with the different fractal dimensions) which corresponds to a society where individuals could be completely self-similar, but with different fractal dimensions (like Phil Friedman and Milos Djukic in this particular case:)), and finally the most obscure aspect connected with Statistical Self-Similarity which reflect the most current state of social structure in which randomly generated fractals (humans) have a chance to make a new Renaissance, which is far from totalitarian single-mindedness as expressed in Star Trek Borg Collective model, Equilibrium movie by Kurt Wimmer, Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell, Kafka's "Der Process" or in "The Brave New World" by Aldous Huxley.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #105

#155
@ Milos Djukic - we can be forever friends, although not forever, I agree. The problem I have with fractals as a model for social structure is that it is too self-replicative -- which I see as different from "self-similar" -- and that raises for me the Borg mantra from Star Trek, "Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated." As to conspiracy, I know well your views. The Worldwide Authors Conspiracy (https://www.bebee.com/group/worldwide-authors-conspiracy), as always, would welcome you as a "Wacko author, but you have demurred because, as I have understood it, you were never comfortable with the term "conspiracy". Still, someday.... Cheers!

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #104

Phil Friedman, Fractals are forever, we are not. Conspiracy again here?

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #103

#151
Well said, Gerald Hecht, the man who sees in 5D must remain silent or perish. Very pleased that you have joined the conversation here on beBee. Please consider joining the Worldwide Authors Conspiracy (at http://www.wwaco.org) or at least the Wacko Hive (at https://www.bebee.com/group/worldwide-authors-conspiracy). Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #102

#149
@Bill STankiewicz - Milos Djukic will also see, there are some parallels with beehive social structure that I think beBee (however much the metaphor is plain outright fun to pun on) should be certain to avoid. Thank you for joining the conversation. Cheers!

Bill Stankiewicz, 🐝 Brand Ambassador

Thanks Phil Phil Friedman comments, he brings up a great point here that I quoted: " I call it virtual synchronicity or fractal alignment. It is the principle of how we lead each other. Future leadership is about social complexity with a growing trend of social encounters and exchanges. " Food for thought, like they say that the letters in Team stand for "together everyone achieves more" is relavant to us all working as bees for a hives success :) , regards, Bill Stankiewicz

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #100

#146
Gerald Hecht -.in the Land of Metaphors, the man with 4-D vision is king. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #99

#143
@Bill Stankiewicz - Agreed, but I reiterate that it cannot be left entirely to until after the bees have "learned how to do things" -- for we all know that will not result in the desired end, unless it is complemented by active Hive management. However, I also agree with Matt Sweetwood, when he said earlier that the better managed hives with the on-topic content will find their way to the top of the popularity list, and in a free market environment the audience will decide. Thank you for reading and taking the time to comment. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #98

#142
@Paul Kemner - I agree 100%, although I don't think it is practical to leave all of the responsibility with the bees who are posting. Hive management has to play an active role in keeping their respective Hives organized properly. Thank you for reading and joining the conversation.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #97

#141
@Juan Imaz- I appreciate -- as I think we all do -- your engagement in these discussions. And yes, I agree it is a matter that we are discussing in principle, keeing aside for the moment the question of how complex it is to accomplish and what the cost/benefit ratio would be. Thank you for taking it under consideration. Cheers!

Bill Stankiewicz, 🐝 Brand Ambassador

I do agree with Paul Kemner & Juan Juan Imaz comments here. We do have a lot of new bees that are still learning on how to work in the Affinity Application. Regards, Bill Stankiewicz, Supply Chain Executive

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #95

#139
Milos Djukic - I agree that it is the team members who make the difference, not the uniform they wear.. That is why some teams win, while others lose. Thank you for joining the conversation. Cheers!

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #94

#137
Phil Friedman, And once again the same comment here (Sorry if you already read this comment). I'm not so resourceful in expressing admiration for any social media. Maybe because I believe that social media per se is not what is admirable, but people in social media. Perhaps it is enough to say that this place is rather unique and also extremely worthwhile. The reason is simple and at the same time very complex (chaotic and of the fractal characters). This is the forerunner of the modern social media which highlights users and not only profit or owners. And that is the reason why this place is fruitful for all C-Butterflies. They are all ambassadors until eventual introduction of an aggressive influencer marketing. And I also love bebee.com, even more. Can you guess why? I call it virtual synchronicity or fractal alignment. It is the principle of how we lead each other. Future leadership is about social complexity with a growing trend of social encounters and exchanges. That's what it's worth here. (This tme without tagging of beBee representatives, like in Jim Murray post.)

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #93

#107
- Replying to myself: An additional thought to all who have been engaging here: I earlier raised an issue about the three suggested "related" authors now appearing at the end of each producer post. I should like to suggest a middle of the road approach to Matt Sweetwood, as well as to the rest of all Producers. Why not allow an author to pick three candidate posts to appear in these blocks, ONE of which may optionally be by the author of the post, with the other two being by authors (producers) whom the author of the post recommends. Similar to the way one picks three Hives to share with when publishing a long-post. And if the author fails to pick three posts to appear in the blocks, beBee fills them in automatically according to whatever system it is using now to select them. I obviously have no idea how complicated this would be to effect, and suggest it only on the basis of wanting more control for the author of a published post over what he or she finds associated with their work. Comments and criticisms are invited and welcomed here. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #92

@Dapo Adeleke - thank you for reading and commenting.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #91

@Nick Mlatchkov - why is it that so many people on social media who themselves bring belligerence and bullying to the table, are 1) surprised when gives them back what they started, and 2) act so hard done by when those whom they attack do shrivel up into little balls of fear? I apologize if I hurt your feelings earlier... in denigrating your animal head by referring to it as an elk, when it is actually a moose. Understand that it is your initial tone and demeanor that brings s commensurate reply. Have a nice life.

Nick Mlatchkov

Nick Mlatchkov

5 years ago #90

After presenting himself as a Bully @Phil Friedman has turned the other way in terms of defending the activity of his friend Jim Able ....

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #89

Well, Larry Boyer, if we were talking about my cooking, some advice on intestinal distress might, indeed, be appropriate in a hive on cuisine. But in general, your point is right on target. Thank you reading and joining the conversation. Cheers!

Larry Boyer, 🐝 Brand Ambassador

Excellent points Phil Friedman If you don't filter hives by topic there really is not point in having hives. If someone has a hive on fine cuisine posts on diarrhea really aren't appropriate and likely unwelcome. Similarly a post on DIY building wouldn't belong there either.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #87

#124
thank you, Dapo Adeleke, for taking the time to tell us how things should be done. I am certain that Federico \u00c1lvarez San Mart\u00edn and the beBee crew will seriously consider your instructions. And I personally will get back to you as soon as it is clear that the world is tired of chaos-inducing free thought and democratic freedom, and is ready to see the superiority of authoritarian and autocratic rule in all matters social and political. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #86

#115
Lada Prkic - thank you for the kind words. The problem, of course, with political satire is that to be most effective it has to take you somewhat by surprise. Which means you can't exactly have a Hive titled "Political Satire". I am personally struggling with that philosophically, and so appreciate your tolerance. Cheers!

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

5 years ago #85

#122
Since we all are posting improperly, I think Jim Able will not have a grudge against my commentary. Thanks for caring, Gerald Hecht :))

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

5 years ago #84

#114
Thanks, Phil. Always enjoy reading your buzzes because they are provocative in a good way. I'm sorry I don't manage to comment more. Your posts deserve that.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #83

#113
The CNNN bulletins are political satire. It doesn't have anything to do with the Engineers and Technicians Hive, except that some members of that hive mark it relevant every time. It also doesn't have anything to do with the Tradesman and Skilled Technician Hive, just as 95% of the postings in that hive don't. My point is not that all YOU guys are posting improperly, but that, as I said, WE all are. And the built in self corrective nature of the system is not operating because most of the Hives are not being actively managed, However, the management of a hive does not fall to beBee, but to its owner and administrators. And to its members. Thank you for reading and commenting.

Lada 🏡 Prkic

Lada 🏡 Prkic

5 years ago #82

Since I’ve got involved in this discussion just now, I would only say that as soon as I became a member of the beBee community, I’ve noticed that the contents being published in the hives did not largely fit for their intended purpose. Since I am interested in the topics related to construction, I often publish short posts in the Engineers and Technicians hive, in which there are all kinds of stuff, but least the appropriate contents. This is one of the hives to be filtered. That's why I created the Interesting Engineering, Technology and Discoveries hive where published contents are mainly related to the purpose of the hive. By the way, I need to ask what does Jim Able’s post about THE CONVENTION IN CLEVELAND, OHIO, have to do with the Engineers and Technicians hive.😊

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #81

#110
Ah, I see and understand Daop Adeleke that you would rather talk to beBee management than to me or any of the other user riff raff. Would it help if I told you that I am an "expert" in a number of fields, a professional writer and editor with more than 1,000 published articles in print and digital media; a yacht designer and builder, former president and CEO of a 600 employee world-class luxury shipyard; and a former university professor of mathematical logic and philosophy? Would you then consider me worthy of your conversation -- or am I simply the plaebian dolt who authored this post? Just asking ... and making a point about assumptions. Cheers and thank you for reading and commenting.

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #80

Too many questions, I'd better go to write papers on hydrogen or fractals :) Pandora's box, Good Night.

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #79

#107
Yes Phil Friedman.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #78

#101
I have been reluctant to bring up the issue of the three suggestions. But now that you have, Milos Djukic. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #77

@Dapo Adeleke - with all due respect, I submit that you are 180 degrees on the facts. Nothing worthwhile that is "social" can live with structure imposed by a "ruling" elite authority, whether that authority is political or otherwise. To the contrary, that which is durable from a social standpoint develops organically. The reason that we see so much attempt at top-down control on other social media platforms is that the owners and managers of those platforms are not truly "social" in their outlook, but driven mistakenly to tighter and tighter control in a drive to maximize profit. I have nothing against profit, but I see elitist control as counter-productive in nurturing use loyalty. And BTW, if experts were so much better than the rest of us, the economies of North America and Western Europe would be in such a mess, for they have and abundance of so-called experts telling them what to do about everything. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #76

#103
Oh Hecht, Gerald! :-)

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #75

#100
@Charlene Burke - What makes lack of exercised restraint in hives even more important is that the hives you belong to affect what you see in your home page feed. But you make a key point. If you are a member of a hive that annoys you with stream of irrelevant content, you will (or should) un-join (leave) rhat hive. And as Matt Sweetwood points out, eventually the hives that are well and poperly managed, and which bring you the kind and quality of content you want to see and read, will eventually win out through natural and organic selection. And it will truly be a case of #LETTHEAUDIENCEDECIDE. Thank you for reding, caring, and joining the conversation. Cheers!

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #74

For example: social network "mechanics"... "Related buzzes" (three of them, below each article) - what is the criteria for the selection? Human or algorithm selection? :) cc. Juan Imaz

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #73

It does not matter whether we will be butterflies, bees or humans. What is important is that we are aware of The Butterfly Effect - "The Secret Human Qualities That Truly Matter". "WE", should only mean that like-minded people are united in the aim of ensuring universal prosperity. Some will say that this is an illusion. Not anymore. For more information about this effect, please see article: “The butterfly effect” by Étienne Ghys: http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/ghys/articles/butterflyeffect.pdf A must read for all social media owners and users. cc Javier C\u00e1mara-Rica Cheers my friends, Milos

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #72

It does not matter whether we will butterflies, bees or humans. What is important is that we are aware of The Butterfly Effect - "The Secret Human Qualities That Truly Matter". "WE", should only mean that like-minded people are united in the aim of ensuring universal prosperity. Some will say that this is an illusion. Not anymore. For more information about this effect, please see article: “The butterfly effect” by Étienne Ghys: http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/ghys/articles/butterflyeffect.pdf A must read for all social media owners and users. cc Javier C\u00e1mara-Rica

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #71

Phil Friedman. This is what matters most.

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #70

#95
Phil Friedman, Loyal users are the cause of the rise of each social media. Luckily, awareness about the future of leadership concept rises abruptly. In a way, "WE" (management and users together) need to kindle a new leadership Renaissance. "Social media benefits the owners of these media" -Jeroen Haan That was then and there (we all know where), I believe. Once I wrote... “Dance with the one that brung ya. Did you know that the same, rather poor grammar rule, also applies to social leadership and even in social media?" - from "You Are a Social Leader? The Butterfly Effect", LI long-form post. Now it has become imperative. Now and forever. All of this (The Agony and the Ecstasy of Social Media) is the applied science of complex adaptive systems. Nothing more or less. And that's the real reason why I talk about fractals. Self-similarity (Fractals) on all scales may be the secret key to understanding the complex phenomena. The fractals knowledge yet has to come on a pedestal. Social organization, including social network "mechanics", is one of the final steps. cc. Javier C\u00e1mara-Rica

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #69

Milos Djukic, you are perfectly correct IMHO. And I predict that if beBee follows the policy of Affinity Networking, to which it has committed, it will build a fiercely loyal user base.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #68

David Grinberg. But what point is the point in them listening, if we say nothing? https://www.bebee.com/producer/@friedman-phil/reflections-on-social-media

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #67

David Grinberg. But what point is there in listening, if we say nothing? https://www.bebee.com/producer/@friedman-phil/reflections-on-social-media

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #66

#86
Thank you, @Susan Rooks, for reading and joining the conversation -- however, ungrammatical it may be. I don't think regular order is overly rigid. For example, suppose I sign up for a Sailing-related hive, which promises me content about sail handling, helming, sail racing rules, and the like. The someone like Gert Scholtz posts a poem about sailing there. Is poetry strictly within the topical parameters of the hive? Maybe not. But if the poem were any good most members would likely gain a smile and a few minutes pleasure from it. And so, to delete that post would be, I think, overly rigid. Not to mention pendantic. As in all things, we set rules as best we can, then rely on good judgment in applying those rules in a reasonable manner. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #65

Gerald Hecht, yes, change is upsetting to some. But when you're changing from one social media platform to another, because the first operated in certain ways that were contrary not only to your best interests, but to any reasonable standard of rationality, you shouldn't fear the change that you came looking for. As well, you can't expect to do things the same way, yet expect the result to be different.

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #64

#84
I view this as a freedom, without manipulation of any kind, just like you Matt Sweetwood. This is something really worthwhile and new in the world of social media. And that is and must remain our beBee.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #63

#84
Matt Sweetwood, if you were a woman I'd kiss you. 👍 As it is you'll have to settle for a fist bump. For what you say embodies #LETTHEAUDIENCEDECIDE. Cheers!

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #62

#87
Dear David Grinberg I couldn’t agree more with you. "Some of the greatest human discoveries and breakthroughs were the results of passionate intellectual engagements of a large number of extremely dedicated people. There is only one extreme and that is to give only positive comments about other people's writing or about the social media . This is a fairly common practice in social media. This is certainly not what we want. On the other hand, critical or negative comments, made by some members, may cause some degree of discomfort on both sides. In order to avoid indifference, which is undesirable, we need to provide highly emotional engagement of an audience. In this case, both emotions: “love” (admiration - respect) and “anger” (disappointment - discourage) may occur at the same time. Fortunately, “anger” can easily be turned into “love” if handled appropriately. We should not have the slightest doubt that such breakthroughs were preceded by “creative chaos”. Of course, such a creative chaos certainly involves some very heated discussions, confronted opinions and disagreements. The people differ in their individual ways of expressing dissent." - from "Leadership and Successful Human Conversations", LI long-form post (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/leadership-successful-human-conversations-milos-djukic?trk=mp-reader-card) cc. Javier C\u00e1mara-Rica.

David B. Grinberg

David B. Grinberg

5 years ago #61

Phil Friedman

Susan 🐝 Rooks, The Grammar Goddess

Well, Phil Friedman, the stars are in alignment here (go figure THOSE odds!). I agree that if I join a hive that has a stated purpose, I expect the bees to respect that. Rigidly? Maybe not, but as you wrote, you expect certain things from TV news and books and magazines . . . thanks for alerting us to this early!

Javier 🐝 CR

Javier 🐝 CR

5 years ago #59

#84
I fully agree Matt Sweetwood. Anyway we will put in place great tools to tailor your feed :)

Matt Sweetwood

Matt Sweetwood

5 years ago #58

I view this as a capitalistic situation. If a Hive is run well, has interesting content, and is promoted it will gain followers and interaction. If the Hive admin, allows irrelevant or annoying content the Hive will fail. If there are duplicate Hives, the best ones will get the most following and they will have to find ways to differentiate themselves. Agree Juan Imaz?

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #57

By the way, all, I think it merits mentioning that we should not mistake transitory bugs or issues with the way things on beBee are working (which will no doubt get resolved quickly enough) with basic structural issues. For example, whether or not to use an algorithm to control what goes into a user's feed is a structural (and philosophical) issue, whereas something like what happens when you click on the message icon is not. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #56

Gerald Hecht, I agree it is astounding, and never before seen on social media platforms, the owners of which usually see its users as the Morlocks saw the Eloi in H. G. Wells "The Time Machine". I have come to suspect that Javier has the use of an advanced ChatBot (yet to be patented) -- otherwise he has to be one super-energetic Hombre! Olay!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #55

#70
@John Vaughan - Thank you for reading and for joining the conversation. You and I are agreed, as I think Javier C\u00e1mara-Rica are as well, that properly managed hives are the critical underpinning of Affinity Networking and the concept of #LETTHEAUDIENCEDECIDE. I submit to all and sundry that organic growth is the most stable form, and cultivates the highest level of user loyalty. And we should not confuse the positives of active hive management and topical filtering (supports organic growth) with the negatives of algorithmic overall control (defeats organic growth) of the kind we see on many other platforms. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #54

Notice to all. Apparently there was some transitional work being done yesterday GMT, and as a result some comments in this thread ended up duplicated and even triplicated. As the owner of this post, I've deleted the duplications. etc. to retain the value of the discussion. If I accidentally deleted something that I shouldn't have please let me know. And we'll see what we can do about reposting your comment. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #53

@ Phillip Hubbell - Thank you, sir, that is the way, to my mind it should work. Posting to a topic-specific hive simply because it has a large membership, and not becaue it area of interest is appropriate for your piece, is not the way go -- if we want this all to work the way it should. Thank you for reading, and for joining the conversation.

Wayne Yoshida

Wayne Yoshida

5 years ago #52

#54
#57 Regarding the duplication of hives -- yes, this will be a problem. But I think the existing search function works when looking for hives to join. If key words do not show any hives, try more key words. If nothing comes back, you get to create a new hive. Now, as this colony of hives grows, there will be some duplication. There should be some function that would allow a consolidation of multiple hives into one -- which would be a perfect example of a hive admin responsibility. CC: Javier C\u00e1mara-Rica

Wayne Yoshida

Wayne Yoshida

5 years ago #51

#51
On the other hand, if one does have any BBQ/Barbacoa/Barbecue recipes or techniques to share, there is a hive for that . . . https://www.bebee.com/group/barbacoa-barbecue-bbq

Wayne Yoshida

Wayne Yoshida

5 years ago #50

#48
I noticed that also, Milos Djukic -- This means more hive building is necessary.

Javier 🐝 CR

Javier 🐝 CR

5 years ago #49

#68
John Vaughan I am sorry. Maybe too many times the same thing ? I read your great content! thanks a lot !

Javier 🐝 CR

Javier 🐝 CR

5 years ago #48

#65
John Vaughan, let me know whenever another CEO from the others social networks come back to you ! We will celebrate ;-)

Javier 🐝 CR

Javier 🐝 CR

5 years ago #47

#64
John Vaughan don't worry. I am responsible of that. Usability will is the strongest point and becomes better . We need time and I already know it ;-) . LI don't have personal affinity groups and hobbies ones ( diving, cars, travel, ... ). LI is strictly professional. You will not find a profile like this one : https://www.bebee.com/@dean-owen . And again, don't worry we are working on it. Have a great week !

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #46

#61
By jove, Gerald Hecht, you've got it! A brilliantly succinct summary. And true in every respect. That is the genius of the concept of Affinity Networking, as structured around Hives. The only question we now have to face is whether the bees, in their reckless enthusiasm, will clog and eventually undermine the system. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #45

#59
Gerald Hecht - We cannot, or should not use the bee metaphor at times, but then abandon it at others when it better suits our purposes (prejedices? axioms?) to do so. Bee are not free-ranging individualists, but rather members of a highly organized, tightly controlled society. And if a colony loses its Queen, it dies. (from The Wisdom of Chung King, circa 650 AD).

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #44

#54
@Dapo Adeleke - I understand what you are saying. However, turning over control to the corporate entity will produce the same problems as experienced on LinkedIn. You are correct concerning replication of hives, but a free system enable organic natural selection driven by audience decisions. As to hives not being managed properly in most cases, I again agree in part with what you say. However, also again organic natural selection will occur. See my initial exchange with Dean Owen here and in https://www.bebee.com/producer/@friedman-phil/insipidipity-is-lurking-or-is-it-that-is-the-question. Dean was initially hostile to the idea of promoting discriminatory management in the hives (filtering according to topicality), but quickly came around when he realized that one of his favorite musical hives was actually acting a a conduit for all manner of unwanted posts pouring into his feed. Thank you for joining the conversation. Cheers!

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #43

Regards, cookbook Milos

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #42

#53
Yes Phil, The same situation regarding materials science and particularly in the case of computational materials science. . Thanks for the clarification.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #41

#52
Milos Djukic, for those who may not get the joke, engineers talk about "cookbook engineering" -- which is engineering using heuristic tables into which you input various parameters, and get the necessary design specficiation outputs -- without actually doing the underlying calculations. In yacht design and construction, I am, for example, a pretty experienced "cookbook engineer". Great joke, Milos!

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #40

#51
Welcome Phil. Please do not worry, I will prepare Materials Science Engineer cookbook, just for you my friend :)

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #39

#50
Well, Milos Djukic, my friend, you've just picked up another member. Now, be sure not to allow postings concerning exercise tips and cooking recipes.

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #38

#49
Yes Phil or Materials Science Engineer hive (9 member): https://www.bebee.com/group/materials-science-engineer?t=members

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #37

#48
Milos Djukic.

Milos Djukic

Milos Djukic

5 years ago #36

Phil Friedman, It seems to me that strictly professional topics including hives are not too popular here. Maybe it is a great skill to find a balance between private and businesses engagement.

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

Mohammed Abdul Jawad

5 years ago #35

A good narrative post with a provocative parable that make things clear for a chiseled content.

Randy Keho

Randy Keho

5 years ago #34

#45
Perhaps, we need a lost and found hive.

Franci 🐝Eugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

#42
Thank you Wayne Yoshida. I appreciate your saying so. I enjoy setting up the posts and hope that they are beneficial.

Randy Keho

Randy Keho

5 years ago #32

I don't see a problem with fine-tuning hives. It seems rather elementary and in no way derails anybody's freedom of expression. If there's content that clearly does not relate to the topic of the hive, the hive's administrators should have the option of removing it and/or placing it in an appropriate hive. There's thousands of them. Hell, even I can tell a duck from a horse. Phil Friedman

Wayne Yoshida

Wayne Yoshida

5 years ago #31

#39
#40 Franci Eugenia Hoffman - I like the Hive Talk idea- thanks for cooking that one up!

Franci 🐝Eugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

#40
Phil Friedman, you made a great point and that is being selective about which hives you join. I try to select hives that appeal to my interests. Too many hives may bring a lot variety, however, can be an overwhelming amount of information.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #29

#39
Thank you Franci Eugenia Hoffman, for the kind words, and for joining the conversation. I think you Hive Talk performs a valuable service, by highlighting hives we might otherwise miss. We should all keep in mind that you can visit a hive to see what's posted there without joining the hive. Personally, I am being very selective about which hives I do join, because of the roll-on effect membership in a hive has on what appears in my feed. Cheers!

Franci 🐝Eugenia Hoffman, beBee Brand Ambassador

I agree with you Phil Friedman, and love your illustrative short story. Hive owners should man their own hives. They should keep them organized and free of content not conducive to the intent of the hive. As I browse through hives to find ones I will feature in my weekly Hive Talk, I note most hives have a clear description of the intent of the hive. It should be simple to share content that compliments the intent of the hive, if we read the description. In my Hive Talk posts, I include the title, description and just recently I am including the name of an owner or administrator of the hive. If there are any special instructions noted in the description, I point it out so it will be noticed. Another point I want to make is the reason for my weekly Hive Talk post is to bring attention to new and existing hives that are small in number of members. I realize our feed includes a Hives that my interest you feature, but my thoughts are to bring out hive specifics and special features. Good post, Phil.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #27

#37
@ Wayne Yoshida - to my mind, sub-hives would be overly complicated and confusing, as sub-groups were on LinkedIn. Better to simply have different hives, some with more specifically and narrowly defined topic themes. If you're interested specically in auto racing or even more specifically in NASCAR racing, then that should or could be a topic-filtered hive to create. Thanks for reading and commenting.

Wayne Yoshida

Wayne Yoshida

5 years ago #26

Do we need Hives and Sub-Hives? Or is that too complicated? Here's an example: Automotive - sub-hives: Race Cars, Vintage/Collectable Cars, Engines, etc. But how could this be displayed and how to search for hives that might interest each user. I do like the hive function now, if you search for a hive using your key words, and there is no hive like that - you get to create a new hive.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #25

#31
Gerald Hecht.. Cheers and thanks for joining the conversation. I think that some of your wonderful and wacky stuff may give some Hive owners and managers hives, but you are always welcome at my place.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #24

The last comment was for Graham Edwards. Sorry to have left the tag off.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #23

#30
The fuzzy dividing line argument is one of the first we learned in the study of philosophical argument to refute. I may not be able to tell a Mallard from a Muscovy, but I can always tell a duck from a horse. Because there may be a few cases that are iffy, does not prevent us from making meaningful distinctions in the vast majority of instances. A first step would be for hive owners and managers to include a fairly well developed definition or list of parameters for posting in their hive. And if someone posts to that hive in a grossly inappropriate way without even looking at the rules, they are not deserving of anything more than having the post deleted. Obviously, civility and good judgment must be exercised by hive owners and managers, but that is universally true in life. Thanks for commenting.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #22

#29
Dean Owen, I think beBee needs to somehow incentivize and recognize those hives which are actively managed. Suggestions on how to do that would, I think bee helpful.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #21

#25
I sincerely hope so, Gerald Hecht. Open discussion is always good, and here on beBee the amazing thing is that the powers that bee (god, I just can't stop that!) actually read and respond to these kinds of conversations, not only with words, but often with action.

Graham🐝 Edwards

Graham🐝 Edwards

5 years ago #20

That was a great short story Phil Friedman! I don't see any real issue with filtering some hives but I think it would be important to offer feedback as to why the post may not be so appropriate and offer alternative hives. The issue is always the grey area that may lie between hives.

Dean Owen

Dean Owen

5 years ago #19

#28
I think you are right Phil Friedman. The big Hives are becoming a landfill for all types of content. Owners and Admins need to take charge. But what is the incentive? That needs to be considered.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #18

#24
Paul \ - You are correct about the Hives being the power behind, or underpinning Affinity Networking. Keep in mind the following: You publish posts about cooking, which actually are quite good. However, my personal interest in cooking is governed by the magnet on my refrigerator, which says, " I came, I saw, I ordered take-out." So although I might very occasionally want to read something of yours about cooking, I generally don't want those sorts of posts clogging up my feed. So what to do? Should I block (silence) you? If I did I wouldn't receive any of your posts. But if you share your cooking posts into a cooking hive (and for that matter other hives) of which I don't join, then I won't see your cooking posts all the time, but I will see the stuff that you post to hives of which I am a member. So it is crucial to MY control of MY feed that when I join a hive, I know what topics that hive allows. If I join a boatbuilding-specific hive, I neither expect, nor want your cooking posts to reach my feed via that hive. Again, in all of this, anyone who wants to operate a fully open hive can. And anyone who wants a totally undifferentiated stream of posts to their respective feeds, can join such hives. Personally, I will not because of the effect it will have on my feed when the publisher gets fully cranked up. But that is their choice as it is mine. And that is the way it should be. It is interesting that even Dean Owen has come around to see this now, with the creation of beBee Cafe. The tools are actually already in place for hive owners and managers to filter the content of their respective hives as they choose. What remains is for everybody (or the majority) to comprehend how important it is to run the hives in an orderly, non-chaotic manner, if Affinity Networking and beBee are to achieve their potential. Which is why I think this conversation is important. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #17

#17
@Lisa Gallagher - you are correct that the tools already exist to be used by managers. But to date, don't appear to be. Main objective is to raise awareness and change overall ethos. Thanks for commenting.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #16

#20
That's good, Nick Mlatchkov. But if I'm so transparent how do I keep my agenda "hidden"? And speaking of hidden and transparent, is that an Ox-ymoron head or an elk head you use in your profile pic instead of your face? Thank you for reading and commenting. Always good to exchange ideas with a member of the Elks Lodge.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #15

#19
Yes and no, Javier. Yes, I See the tool. No, I haven't yet used it. But Yes I will, if that jackass Jim Able keeps talking to me... Cheers!

Nick Mlatchkov

Nick Mlatchkov

5 years ago #14

#5
U and your group can keep your topics free from others though don't try to control the rest. U're so transparent with your hidden agenda!

Javier 🐝 CR

Javier 🐝 CR

5 years ago #13

#13
Phil Friedman tenemos que solucionar ésto tal y como hablamos !

Lisa Gallagher

Lisa Gallagher

5 years ago #12

PS: I meant to add, repost it to a suitable hive and remove it from the hive it doesn't belong to.

Lisa Gallagher

Lisa Gallagher

5 years ago #11

@phil friedman, we already have the ability to remove a buzz in our hives. Are you suggesting a few more restrictions or just re-inforcing the idea that if the topic posted in a specific hive is not related to that hive, people should remove it? I can understand your concerns and your dream (was it real??) was a great analogy to use. Ok, from a personal perspective- If I had a hive that was very specific IE: Automobiles as you've referred to, I would get annoyed to see anything that was not auto related in that hive too. I think I would repost it first to a hive I found suitable. That may be an alternative? Just saying... I'm not undermining your concerns, I hope you understand that. :))

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #10

#10
@ Jim Murray - the thing is, as long as the tools and ability to create and manage topic-restricted or otherwise restricted hives are present, those who want to maintain fully topic-open hives can do so -- as much and with as many hives as they want. I just won't join any of them, because I know from long experience that the traffic from such conduits will make it impossible for me to conveniently find that which I want to see and read on my feed. Of course, at times when I want to look for new and offbeat blogs and posts, I can still visit those open hives to see what I can find. And BTW, I can also rely on Jim Murray, who regularly finds and highlights new and offbeat writers. Thanks and cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #9

#7
@Charles David Upchurch - It's something I learned when I taught logic and philosophy at university. Some concepts are difficult to sort out... until you take them to a different, but more familiar context, in this case, that of cable TV channels. And when you do that, you can often see the absurdity of it. As to my using a similar device a while ago, you may be thinking when I took the concept of LinkedIn choking down notifications to the context of the U.S. Postal Service deciding randomly, or be means of an LI algorithm, to deliver only 50% of the mail, and shred the other 50%. Of course, the scary thing in that case is that I received almost as many comments saying that was a great cost-saving approach, as I received outraged remarks. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #8

#6
@Don Kerr's concept of Affinity Networking is that it accommodates everybody and all needs in a single social media platform, and truly embodies #LETTHEAUDIENCEDECIDE. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #7

#9
I like it a lot, Brian McKenzie. I think you could monetize a system for increasing the reach of post through beBee hives that would otherwise reject them. See, the gods ARE good.

Jim Murray

Jim Murray

5 years ago #6

I agree completely. You really can't have it both ways. Affinity means just that. As far as I know the hive system was set up in such a way as to allow people to seek out specific types of content that were of interest to them. And so why wouldn't the administrators of those hives be the guardians of that 'affinity'? There are more than enough general interest hives out there, and everybody gets a ton of variety on their home page. I don't see that you're pissing on anything. And I certainly don't see trying to reinforce the affinity concept, as any sort of draconian measure. In fact it's probably the most helpful thing that hive administrators can do. There are a lot of people out there who don't really get what this site is about. This is how they learn. And also how they can participate in a constructive and productive way.

don kerr

don kerr

5 years ago #5

I concur in most respects Phil Friedman. Within each hive we should expect the administrators to hold true to their stated mission. If that means blocking/editing/restricting then so be it. I am simply leery of placing perceived barriers in place before the nature of the platform is resolved. With all respect, we are only millimetres apart in our p.o.v. but as always you are vastly more erudite and informed than I. For that reason I will bow to your perspective and acknowledge that some limits are required but they should be administered by those closest to the true intent of each hive.

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #4

#4
@ Nick Mlatchkov - Wow, that is a stunning statement concerning freedom of expression, not to mention that it is antithetical to the public statements made by beBee founders Javier C\u00e1mara-Rica, I am not trying to control what you choose to do in any Hive you own or manage. Why are you not prepared to extend the same courtesy to me? Chaos is not really freedom, nor is it free. Thank you for reading and commenting.

Nick Mlatchkov

Nick Mlatchkov

5 years ago #3

'The repeatedly expressed opinion was that limiting the posts in any Hive to a given topic or theme would undermine the free spirit of beBee...' In this case the majority should be listen to!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #2

#2
Yes, Jim Cody, they are. As I see it, the essence -- and the great promise -- of beBee and Affinity Networking is the ability not only to tailor your feed to what you do want to see and read, but also to tailor your feed to exclude the noise you don't want to have to wade through. And you can't do that if, for example, you join an auto racing Hive, only to begin having posts on cooking or hemorrhoid treatments hit your feed using that Hive as a conduit. Thanks for reading and commenting. I think we strengthen beBee by talking these issues out. Cheers!

Phil Friedman

Phil Friedman

5 years ago #1

CC: The BeeZers, Jim Murray.

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